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Good point but that can be explained by familiarity inertia. People who have 50k to blow on a new car are anything but young buyers, with the average age of a n

Good point but that can be explained by familiarity inertia. People who have 50k to blow on a new car are anything but young buyers, with the average age of a new car buyer in the US is around 53 years old. And boomers and gen-X are used to owning ICEs, so there you go. Millennials and Zoomers would be more open to EV adoption but they have a lot less disposable income to buy new cars.

david-gpu 10mo ago
Meanwhile, bicycles and e-bikes cost a fraction of a car.
- joe_mamba 10mo ago
  Yes, and? They're different tools for different purposes. Such a disingenuous comment.
  - lostlogin 10mo ago
    > They're different tools for different purposes. Getting to work and running local errands?
    - nikanj 10mo ago
      Yes one is for getting to work and running local errands, the other is for showing that you are a successful alpha hustler who can afford a big truck.
      - joe_mamba 10mo ago
        What a childish troll comment. Not everyone's work commute can be done by bicycle. I can't cycle 40+ km each way on the highway. And not everyone who buys a car to get to work buys a pickup truck. Sensible cars exist. Ignoramus.
    - joe_mamba 10mo ago
      ANother disingenuous comment. One for commuting long distances versus one for commuting short distance. ignoramus
  - david-gpu 10mo ago
    Disingenuous? Plenty of people live without a car.
    - blell 10mo ago
      [flagged]
    - NetMageSCW 10mo ago
      By choice? Life is short enough, I don’t need to waste it providing power to travel to work and back when I can save 1.5 hours per work day driving. (And more if I go to lunch.)
      - david-gpu 10mo ago
        Yes, plenty of people choose active transportation. Once they give it a try they see that not only it is about as fast as driving, but it feels great, too. I don't know your particular circumstances, but unless you have tried riding a bike to work you probably don't have a good sense of how long it would take you.
      - nikanj 10mo ago
        Many people realize that they'd rather spend an hour biking every day instead of half an hour driving each day, because they enjoy riding a bike. "Providing power to travel" is such a weird way to describe using your own body and enjoying the outdoors
      - lostlogin 10mo ago
        > I can save 1.5 hours per work day driving. (And more if I go to lunch.) That’s going to depend where you live. Commuting by bike is half to one third the time it takes to drive for my commute. One work location is 8km away, the other is 15km.
    - joe_mamba 10mo ago
      >Disingenuous? Yes, it's disingenuous to insinuate through that comparison as if bicycles are replacements for cars, or that all car trips can be replaced by bike trips. Both are good for different kinds of trips. Hence why cars still have a place, even in bike dominated Netherlands, and why your comment was in bad faith and why Ic alled you out for it. >Plenty of people live without a car. Plenty of people also live without a home, that doesn't mean it's a good situation to be in.
- cpursley 10mo ago
  Not sure if you are familiar with the built-environment in America, but there’s effectively no biking infrastructure and people are openly hostile towards cyclists who try.
  - david-gpu 10mo ago
    Barely any bike infrastructure where I live, either. You can make it work. Give it a try someday.
    - cpursley 10mo ago
      I'd love to but would rather not be road splatter, which is a frequent outcome: https://news.google.com/search?q=cyclist+run+over&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en https://news.google.com/search?q=cyclist+run+over&hl=en-US&g...
      - lostlogin 10mo ago
        If you ever get the chance to try a bike radar like the garmin Varia, knowing what’s behind you is a game changer. I feel naked on the rare occasion I don’t have it.
      - nikanj 10mo ago
        Do you use the same logic to avoid driving a car to work: https://news.google.com/search?q=driver+dies+in+crash&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en https://news.google.com/search?q=driver+dies+in+crash&hl=en-...
    - joe_mamba 10mo ago
      How do you suggest you get to work by bike when work is 50 km away?
      - david-gpu 10mo ago
        Moving closer. It is a shitty commute by any means of transport. It is no wonder that you are jumping at everybody offering suggestions.
- cucumber3732842 10mo ago
  >e-bikes cost a fraction of a car. Don't worry, there are people scheming up ways to change that. And it's (mostly) not even the auto lobby.
IshKebab 10mo ago
I don't think being used to buying ICE cars is an excuse. Or probably even true. More likely they stay popular because America has extremely cheap petrol/gas and poor electric car charging infrastructure.

david-gpu 10mo ago

Meanwhile, bicycles and e-bikes cost a fraction of a car.

joe_mamba 10mo ago
Yes, and? They're different tools for different purposes. Such a disingenuous comment.
- lostlogin 10mo ago
  > They're different tools for different purposes. Getting to work and running local errands?
  - nikanj 10mo ago
    Yes one is for getting to work and running local errands, the other is for showing that you are a successful alpha hustler who can afford a big truck.
    - joe_mamba 10mo ago
      What a childish troll comment. Not everyone's work commute can be done by bicycle. I can't cycle 40+ km each way on the highway. And not everyone who buys a car to get to work buys a pickup truck. Sensible cars exist. Ignoramus.
  - joe_mamba 10mo ago
    ANother disingenuous comment. One for commuting long distances versus one for commuting short distance. ignoramus
- david-gpu 10mo ago
  Disingenuous? Plenty of people live without a car.
  - blell 10mo ago
    [flagged]
  - NetMageSCW 10mo ago
    By choice? Life is short enough, I don’t need to waste it providing power to travel to work and back when I can save 1.5 hours per work day driving. (And more if I go to lunch.)
    - david-gpu 10mo ago
      Yes, plenty of people choose active transportation. Once they give it a try they see that not only it is about as fast as driving, but it feels great, too. I don't know your particular circumstances, but unless you have tried riding a bike to work you probably don't have a good sense of how long it would take you.
    - nikanj 10mo ago
      Many people realize that they'd rather spend an hour biking every day instead of half an hour driving each day, because they enjoy riding a bike. "Providing power to travel" is such a weird way to describe using your own body and enjoying the outdoors
    - lostlogin 10mo ago
      > I can save 1.5 hours per work day driving. (And more if I go to lunch.) That’s going to depend where you live. Commuting by bike is half to one third the time it takes to drive for my commute. One work location is 8km away, the other is 15km.
  - joe_mamba 10mo ago
    >Disingenuous? Yes, it's disingenuous to insinuate through that comparison as if bicycles are replacements for cars, or that all car trips can be replaced by bike trips. Both are good for different kinds of trips. Hence why cars still have a place, even in bike dominated Netherlands, and why your comment was in bad faith and why Ic alled you out for it. >Plenty of people live without a car. Plenty of people also live without a home, that doesn't mean it's a good situation to be in.
cpursley 10mo ago
Not sure if you are familiar with the built-environment in America, but there’s effectively no biking infrastructure and people are openly hostile towards cyclists who try.
- david-gpu 10mo ago
  Barely any bike infrastructure where I live, either. You can make it work. Give it a try someday.
  - cpursley 10mo ago
    I'd love to but would rather not be road splatter, which is a frequent outcome: https://news.google.com/search?q=cyclist+run+over&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en https://news.google.com/search?q=cyclist+run+over&hl=en-US&g...
    - lostlogin 10mo ago
      If you ever get the chance to try a bike radar like the garmin Varia, knowing what’s behind you is a game changer. I feel naked on the rare occasion I don’t have it.
    - nikanj 10mo ago
      Do you use the same logic to avoid driving a car to work: https://news.google.com/search?q=driver+dies+in+crash&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en https://news.google.com/search?q=driver+dies+in+crash&hl=en-...
  - joe_mamba 10mo ago
    How do you suggest you get to work by bike when work is 50 km away?
    - david-gpu 10mo ago
      Moving closer. It is a shitty commute by any means of transport. It is no wonder that you are jumping at everybody offering suggestions.
cucumber3732842 10mo ago
>e-bikes cost a fraction of a car. Don't worry, there are people scheming up ways to change that. And it's (mostly) not even the auto lobby.

IshKebab 10mo ago

I don't think being used to buying ICE cars is an excuse. Or probably even true. More likely they stay popular because America has extremely cheap petrol/gas and poor electric car charging infrastructure.