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After I learned about her childhood, a lot of her most odious writing online, particularly coming up with poll after poll about hypotheticals in which it might

by Drupon 9mo ago

After I learned about her childhood, a lot of her most odious writing online, particularly coming up with poll after poll about hypotheticals in which it might be ok for an adult to have sex with a child [1] [2] [3], made much more sense. She is still dealing with the trauma, trying to bargain with it (the polls on Twitter), trying to gain control over it (much of her personal sexual expression involves simulating what happened again in a controlled setting), and completely in denial about it which means that she's causing harm to people who read these kinds of discussions and don't know this, whether she understands it or not. Best to just avoid her altogether online. 1: https://x.com/Aella_Girl/status/1643703433516441602 https://x.com/Aella_Girl/status/1643703433516441602 2: https://x.com/Aella_Girl/status/1721238228458430785 https://x.com/Aella_Girl/status/1721238228458430785 3: https://substack.com/home/post/p-161405272 https://substack.com/home/post/p-161405272

JasonADrury 9mo ago
Yeah, the polls are weird, but I'm not sure your armchair psychologists interpretation of her life is any less weird.
- Drupon 9mo ago
  You don't think that being molested by your grandfather might have something to do with replaying that molestation obsessively throughout your life, and trying to come up with hypotheticals in which it can actually be ok? I'm just operating at the preponderance of evidence level here, and it seems far more likely to be to case that extreme childhood sexual caused the extreme sexual deviation. Do your P(A|B) work here, it's not hard, given the small probability of both of those things.
  - JasonADrury 9mo ago
    Even if you're correct that her being abused in her childhood is related to her choice of career, what do you think you're adding to the conversation by bringing that up? What are you actually trying to do here besides shame her for having been abused as a child? That's really the only takeaway from your comment here, that people shouldn't read her writing about prostitution as a business because she was abused as a child. That seems particularly nasty on your part, even if unintentional.
    - Drupon 9mo ago
      >related to her choice of career Didn't imply this. However, the science is that childhood sexual abuse is an antecedent to prostitution. >What are you actually trying to do here besides shame her for having been abused as a child? Warn others that she is dangerous and shouldn't be taken seriously.
      - JasonADrury 9mo ago
        >Warn others that she is dangerous and shouldn't be taken seriously. Is this post dangerous? You certainly didn't refer to any particular dangerous content, just shouting about a couple of weird tweets doesn't seem very useful. I really don't get it, unless you're specifically upset by her quite reasonable post about AI generated child pornography, but that'd be weird. > However, the science is that childhood sexual abuse is an antecedent to prostitution. Even if a causal relationship has been proven, that doesn't mean any correlation implies causation.
        Drupon 9mo ago
        >Even if a causal relationship has been proven, that doesn't mean any correlation implies causation. This is HN, not a psychology conference or a therapy session. Feel free to accept or reject my level of epistemological rigor. I just know my priors, and honestly I don't see the value in continuing this conversation if you don't (or pretend you don't). If a lifetime alcoholic died of liver failure, it's entirely possible that he got hepatitis, but I'm going to go ahead and say it was the alcohol and treat any quibbling about causation and correlation as an irrelevant diversion.
        JasonADrury 9mo ago
        Even if you were correct, none of that really seems relevant wrt the actual content of this blog post.
        cess11 9mo ago
        It's a bog-standard guide to escorting, similar to how some people post how-to:s on LinkedIn or corporate blogs. You can find hundreds or thousands of these floating around, commonly among ex-escorts who are trying to pursue some adjacent but less corporeal career. I'm sure some of these are written by more sensible people.
JuniperMesos 9mo ago
Regardless of whether or not your assessment of her internal mental state is true (and I think this is a very hard thing to be sure you're assessing correctly), I don't think that anyone is harmed in any meaningful way by reading her discussions about hypothetical sexual situations, even if you personally find them distasteful.
- Drupon 9mo ago
  >I don't think that anyone is harmed in any meaningful way by reading her discussions about hypothetical sexual situations She advocates for the value of AI generated CSAM, and her hypotheticals are attempts at deluded rationalization, the rationalization of could easily sway the actions of others. When I read her rationalizations and hypothetical moral scenarios, I am just reminded of the arguments from the New Left, including many of the voices of the French petition to remove the age of consent, that offered specious sophistry to not just sway others into allowing them to prey on children, but to encourage others with similar predilections to do so without moral qualms. A good specific example was the placing of orphans in the homes of known sex offenders in East Germany, with the rationalization that it's better than the orphans endure a bit of sexual impropriety than to suffer negligence, which is a very Aella style argument.
  - defrost 9mo ago
    Can you link to the tweet / blog post in which Aella advocated for the actual placement of real children with known sex offenders?
    - Drupon 9mo ago
      You think Aella lived in East Germany? Obviously I was giving an example of a different situation in which her kind of specious moral reasoning resulted in the enablement of child sexual abuse.
      - defrost 9mo ago
        Obviously I didn't think Aella lives in East Germany for a single moment. I was interested in your reasoning as you appeared to be off on a tangent making what is known as a strawman argument.
paganel 9mo ago
Thought that this Aella at first, too bad that this is indeed her. Pretty sad and bleak story, hope her life will become better and more fulfilled, I genuinely do.
crimsoneer 9mo ago
This is an awful lot of very puritanical armchair psychiatry from a random man on the internet. She's doing something she finds interesting, in a surprisingly data driven way, and seemingly not harming anyone, you can put the pitchfork and handmaid's tale fantasies away.
- Drupon 9mo ago
  >in a surprisingly data driven way If you think posting sporadic 4 choice polls about sex to a population consisting of gooners following a porn actress and prostitute on Twitter constitutes "data driven", then I can see how you would find Aella to be an intellectually engaging person.
  - JuniperMesos 9mo ago
    Yes that constitutes being data driven, why wouldn't it? It's tautological that if a person who works as a porn actress and prostitution puts out polls on Twitter, the population of people who answer those polls will consist of people who follow a porn actress and prostitute on Twitter, but why does that affect the quality of the data? How can you evaluate whether someone counts as a "gooner" or not based on whether they follow a specific person on Twitter or answer a poll about sex?
    - Drupon 9mo ago
      >but why does that affect the quality of the data If I poll only insurance company executives on whether the country should do away with private insurance and switch to universal healthcare, I haven't really done anything "data driven", have I? Taking a fat shit in my toilet "generates data", but I wouldn't call that visit to my bathroom "data driven", would I? Collecting sex poll responses from people who follow porn stars who specialize in rape and similar fantasy porn does not collect any data except what extreme porn consumers think about sexuality, which is of little use to making generalizations. >How can you evaluate whether someone counts as a "gooner" or not based on whether they follow a specific person on Twitter or answer a poll about sex? Following porn stars is absolutely gooner behavior, so yes, it makes a person a gooner.

by Drupon 9mo ago

JasonADrury 9mo ago

Yeah, the polls are weird, but I'm not sure your armchair psychologists interpretation of her life is any less weird.

Drupon 9mo ago
You don't think that being molested by your grandfather might have something to do with replaying that molestation obsessively throughout your life, and trying to come up with hypotheticals in which it can actually be ok? I'm just operating at the preponderance of evidence level here, and it seems far more likely to be to case that extreme childhood sexual caused the extreme sexual deviation. Do your P(A|B) work here, it's not hard, given the small probability of both of those things.
- JasonADrury 9mo ago
  Even if you're correct that her being abused in her childhood is related to her choice of career, what do you think you're adding to the conversation by bringing that up? What are you actually trying to do here besides shame her for having been abused as a child? That's really the only takeaway from your comment here, that people shouldn't read her writing about prostitution as a business because she was abused as a child. That seems particularly nasty on your part, even if unintentional.
  - Drupon 9mo ago
    >related to her choice of career Didn't imply this. However, the science is that childhood sexual abuse is an antecedent to prostitution. >What are you actually trying to do here besides shame her for having been abused as a child? Warn others that she is dangerous and shouldn't be taken seriously.
    - JasonADrury 9mo ago
      >Warn others that she is dangerous and shouldn't be taken seriously. Is this post dangerous? You certainly didn't refer to any particular dangerous content, just shouting about a couple of weird tweets doesn't seem very useful. I really don't get it, unless you're specifically upset by her quite reasonable post about AI generated child pornography, but that'd be weird. > However, the science is that childhood sexual abuse is an antecedent to prostitution. Even if a causal relationship has been proven, that doesn't mean any correlation implies causation.
      - Drupon 9mo ago
        >Even if a causal relationship has been proven, that doesn't mean any correlation implies causation. This is HN, not a psychology conference or a therapy session. Feel free to accept or reject my level of epistemological rigor. I just know my priors, and honestly I don't see the value in continuing this conversation if you don't (or pretend you don't). If a lifetime alcoholic died of liver failure, it's entirely possible that he got hepatitis, but I'm going to go ahead and say it was the alcohol and treat any quibbling about causation and correlation as an irrelevant diversion.
        JasonADrury 9mo ago
        Even if you were correct, none of that really seems relevant wrt the actual content of this blog post.
      - cess11 9mo ago
        It's a bog-standard guide to escorting, similar to how some people post how-to:s on LinkedIn or corporate blogs. You can find hundreds or thousands of these floating around, commonly among ex-escorts who are trying to pursue some adjacent but less corporeal career. I'm sure some of these are written by more sensible people.

JuniperMesos 9mo ago

Regardless of whether or not your assessment of her internal mental state is true (and I think this is a very hard thing to be sure you're assessing correctly), I don't think that anyone is harmed in any meaningful way by reading her discussions about hypothetical sexual situations, even if you personally find them distasteful.

Drupon 9mo ago
>I don't think that anyone is harmed in any meaningful way by reading her discussions about hypothetical sexual situations She advocates for the value of AI generated CSAM, and her hypotheticals are attempts at deluded rationalization, the rationalization of could easily sway the actions of others. When I read her rationalizations and hypothetical moral scenarios, I am just reminded of the arguments from the New Left, including many of the voices of the French petition to remove the age of consent, that offered specious sophistry to not just sway others into allowing them to prey on children, but to encourage others with similar predilections to do so without moral qualms. A good specific example was the placing of orphans in the homes of known sex offenders in East Germany, with the rationalization that it's better than the orphans endure a bit of sexual impropriety than to suffer negligence, which is a very Aella style argument.
- defrost 9mo ago
  Can you link to the tweet / blog post in which Aella advocated for the actual placement of real children with known sex offenders?
  - Drupon 9mo ago
    You think Aella lived in East Germany? Obviously I was giving an example of a different situation in which her kind of specious moral reasoning resulted in the enablement of child sexual abuse.
    - defrost 9mo ago
      Obviously I didn't think Aella lives in East Germany for a single moment. I was interested in your reasoning as you appeared to be off on a tangent making what is known as a strawman argument.

paganel 9mo ago

Thought that this Aella at first, too bad that this is indeed her. Pretty sad and bleak story, hope her life will become better and more fulfilled, I genuinely do.

crimsoneer 9mo ago

This is an awful lot of very puritanical armchair psychiatry from a random man on the internet. She's doing something she finds interesting, in a surprisingly data driven way, and seemingly not harming anyone, you can put the pitchfork and handmaid's tale fantasies away.

Drupon 9mo ago
>in a surprisingly data driven way If you think posting sporadic 4 choice polls about sex to a population consisting of gooners following a porn actress and prostitute on Twitter constitutes "data driven", then I can see how you would find Aella to be an intellectually engaging person.
- JuniperMesos 9mo ago
  Yes that constitutes being data driven, why wouldn't it? It's tautological that if a person who works as a porn actress and prostitution puts out polls on Twitter, the population of people who answer those polls will consist of people who follow a porn actress and prostitute on Twitter, but why does that affect the quality of the data? How can you evaluate whether someone counts as a "gooner" or not based on whether they follow a specific person on Twitter or answer a poll about sex?
  - Drupon 9mo ago
    >but why does that affect the quality of the data If I poll only insurance company executives on whether the country should do away with private insurance and switch to universal healthcare, I haven't really done anything "data driven", have I? Taking a fat shit in my toilet "generates data", but I wouldn't call that visit to my bathroom "data driven", would I? Collecting sex poll responses from people who follow porn stars who specialize in rape and similar fantasy porn does not collect any data except what extreme porn consumers think about sexuality, which is of little use to making generalizations. >How can you evaluate whether someone counts as a "gooner" or not based on whether they follow a specific person on Twitter or answer a poll about sex? Following porn stars is absolutely gooner behavior, so yes, it makes a person a gooner.