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What do you mean no one is willing to buck the trend? It’s almost a certainty that Republicans will lose the house this year and maybe the senate. On the othe

by efitz 9mo ago

What do you mean no one is willing to buck the trend? It’s almost a certainty that Republicans will lose the house this year and maybe the senate. On the other hand we have federal district court judges in podunk deciding that they have the unilateral ability to stop the president from exercising executive authority. It wouldn’t be so comical if they didn’t ultimately lose in most cases; our judges are the real Constitutional crisis right now. I have not seen the Trump administration fail to obey a single court order; I just don’t see Trump as a crisis. His policies, you could make a good case. His rhetoric, yes. His official acts, not so much.

ipython 9mo ago
> It’s almost a certainty that Republicans will lose the house this year and maybe the senate. Unfortunately the state party operatives have started gerrymandering efforts to make this even more difficult. Trump has absolutely failed to comply with several court orders. The ones I’m aware of relate to Kilmar Garcia’s removal to CECOT.
- efitz 9mo ago
  Where is Garcia now? In the US. Who brought him back? Trump
  - ipython 9mo ago
    So it’s ok he was sent to CECOT in violation of an order not to in the first place? The original question was whether Trump ignored court orders. Id say that removing someone against a court order to a third country is a pretty big issue. Even if a year later after a huge public pressure campaign he is temporarily back in the states. See https://marylandmatters.org/2026/01/16/whats-next-for-maryland-man-awaiting-a-decision-on-whether-he-can-stay-in-the-us/ https://marylandmatters.org/2026/01/16/whats-next-for-maryla...
    - mothballed 9mo ago
      He wasn't removed to a third country. He was removed to his home country, illegally, as he had a court order for deportation but per his own request he left open only deportation to a third country because he was granted his petition to bar deportation to El Salvador after his asylum claim failed. Had he had been shoved out of a C-130 and parachuted into South Sudan, we'd never even be hearing of the guy because that would have been allowed and been in compliance with the deportation order as well as the order blocking deportation to the one country they deported him to.
      - ipython 9mo ago
        Sounds like you’ve made my point. Thank you for correcting my mistake on the particulars. The judge in his case literally said the words “you haven’t complied” to the government attorneys in the case. Not sure how much more I can say. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/16/judge-scolds-trump-officials-abrego-garcia-00355259 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/16/judge-scolds-trump-... During the ordeal the government attorneys repeatedly claimed that they had no way to bring him back (although clearly that was a lie as he was returned…) We have crossed the rubicon so far, the fact we even have to nitpick this is absurd.
  - gmd63 9mo ago
    Do you know how ridiculous you sound defending Trump for bringing back a person from a foreign prison that he sent there without due process? Only because he got caught? The guy operates in bad faith constantly. It's why a huge chunk of his prior administration recommended against voting for him. It's his only edge in life aside from his ability to hypnotize idiots, and it's only an edge because weak willed or complicit people let him get away with it.
  - johnnyanmac 9mo ago
    >Where is Garcia now In the US, for the next month. Who STILL wants to deport him after this embarrasing fumble of administrative incompetence? Trump https://marylandmatters.org/2026/01/16/whats-next-for-maryland-man-awaiting-a-decision-on-whether-he-can-stay-in-the-us/ https://marylandmatters.org/2026/01/16/whats-next-for-maryla... They couldn't bring a single man back and sweep all this under the rug. Trump has to get the last word in. Remember beforehand that they were trying to bribe him to self-deport to a country he wasn't even born in.
  - ipython 9mo ago
    https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qjau6v/bovino_throws_tear_gas_in_minneapolis_12126/ https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qjau6v/bovino_t... In direct violation of a court order not to use chemical weapons. https://turnto10.com/news/nation-world/judge-rules-against-ice-no-detentions-or-tear-gas-at-peaceful-protests-in-twin-cities-pepper-spray-chemical-irritants-minneapolis-minnesota-immigration-and-customs-enforcement-border-patrol-agents-officers-walz-frey-trump https://turnto10.com/news/nation-world/judge-rules-against-i... Not that you care but might as well share.
jamroom 9mo ago
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-federal-court-ruling-ignore-b2792939.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
- johnnyanmac 9mo ago
  Very true. The trials against these people better be brutal (assuming they don't all run to Argentina). It's frustrating now, but having all these cases and cases over ignoring orders is a very important paper trail if we want to civilly resolve all of this. The new DoJ can certainly go after the old one and they have a disgusting amount of cases to comb through to make their case. And a frankly incompetent opposition (it's okay, about 2/3rds of the DOJ quit as of now, I imagine many of the sensible/talented ones realized the incompetence).
  - amanaplanacanal 9mo ago
    A new DOJ might be able to go after the old one, except for one problem: the presidential pardon power is absolute, should he choose to use it.
jleyank 9mo ago
Depends on where the 11 Airborne goes. Most places outside of existing training sites break treaties or cause civil unrest/volate posse comitatus.
analognoise 9mo ago
> On the other hand we have federal district court judges in podunk deciding that they have the unilateral ability to stop the president from exercising executive authority He doesn’t have unlimited executive authority; it makes sense for a judge to be able to determine where that line is. It’s literally their job?
Supermancho 9mo ago
> I have not seen the Trump administration fail to obey a single court order If we can avoid playing word games, the Trump administration has been accused of defying or frustrating court orders at an unprecedented rate, with analyses indicating it failed to comply with approximately one in three judicial rulings against its actions. Notably in regard to deportations. The administration either acts in defiance of, or appeals until the case is elevated to a sympathetic judge or eventually complies. This is the trend and has been a successful set of tactics so far.
- efitz 9mo ago
  No word games at all. Every American, even the president, even (gasp) Donald Trump, has the right of appeal of judicial orders and rulings. I could just as well say that people and organizations who oppose Trump's immigration policies go "judge shopping" or "jurisdiction shopping" to find sympathetic judges, which happens all the time (For example, there is absolutely no justification for Judge Boasberg in the DC Circuit to have adjudicated the issue of the deportations from Texas; it should have been a local judge in TX). Inferior court judges (i.e. judicial branch judges that are not Supreme Court justices), only have judicial authority as granted by Congress, and it's not clear whether they do or should have jurisdiction outside their circuit- the Supreme Court is currently deciding that one. Congress explicitly has denied judicial branch judges from jurisdiction over immigration issues, in favor of immigration judges. I believe that most of the judicial actions against the administration wrt immigration are largely lawless (illegal) actions by judges, but I am very much not worried about Trump because his administration is NOT ignoring court orders. There is a lot of FUD in the news that you have to do a bit of reading to understand (for example, why district court judges may not lawfully order a halt to a deportation that has been properly adjudicated by an immigration court). My bottom line is that I don't see a Constitutional crisis in Trump's actions, although I very much see many reasons why many people would be upset; he has a very polarizing personality and demeanor.
  - johnnyanmac 9mo ago
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-federal-court-ruling-ignore-b2792939.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... This really isn't up for debate. the admin has most certainly ignored court orders. >Every American, even the president, even (gasp) Donald Trump, has the right of appeal of judicial orders and rulings. If I even talked the way Blanche and Bondi did in these hearings, I'd instantly be held in contempt and be thrown in jail. let alone the overreach of order applied. Let's not pretend that we are on an equal playing ground here. >Inferior court judges I think this phrasing alone says a lot more about you than anything you typed. I bet over Biden you were ranting about how the Supreme Court is corrupt. Just shifting in the sands based on what "your team" is doing, laws be damned.
anon291 9mo ago
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- cmurf 9mo ago
  Trump, while president, sent a mob to assassinate the vice-president of the United States, and members of Congress, because Mike Pence refused Trump’s illegal order to overturn an election both of them had lost. The current president is plainly undemocratic. It’s a matter of public record.
- asdff 9mo ago
  He is openly talking about doing away with elections.

by efitz 9mo ago

ipython 9mo ago

> It’s almost a certainty that Republicans will lose the house this year and maybe the senate. Unfortunately the state party operatives have started gerrymandering efforts to make this even more difficult. Trump has absolutely failed to comply with several court orders. The ones I’m aware of relate to Kilmar Garcia’s removal to CECOT.

efitz 9mo ago
Where is Garcia now? In the US. Who brought him back? Trump
- ipython 9mo ago
  So it’s ok he was sent to CECOT in violation of an order not to in the first place? The original question was whether Trump ignored court orders. Id say that removing someone against a court order to a third country is a pretty big issue. Even if a year later after a huge public pressure campaign he is temporarily back in the states. See https://marylandmatters.org/2026/01/16/whats-next-for-maryland-man-awaiting-a-decision-on-whether-he-can-stay-in-the-us/ https://marylandmatters.org/2026/01/16/whats-next-for-maryla...
  - mothballed 9mo ago
    He wasn't removed to a third country. He was removed to his home country, illegally, as he had a court order for deportation but per his own request he left open only deportation to a third country because he was granted his petition to bar deportation to El Salvador after his asylum claim failed. Had he had been shoved out of a C-130 and parachuted into South Sudan, we'd never even be hearing of the guy because that would have been allowed and been in compliance with the deportation order as well as the order blocking deportation to the one country they deported him to.
    - ipython 9mo ago
      Sounds like you’ve made my point. Thank you for correcting my mistake on the particulars. The judge in his case literally said the words “you haven’t complied” to the government attorneys in the case. Not sure how much more I can say. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/16/judge-scolds-trump-officials-abrego-garcia-00355259 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/16/judge-scolds-trump-... During the ordeal the government attorneys repeatedly claimed that they had no way to bring him back (although clearly that was a lie as he was returned…) We have crossed the rubicon so far, the fact we even have to nitpick this is absurd.
- gmd63 9mo ago
  Do you know how ridiculous you sound defending Trump for bringing back a person from a foreign prison that he sent there without due process? Only because he got caught? The guy operates in bad faith constantly. It's why a huge chunk of his prior administration recommended against voting for him. It's his only edge in life aside from his ability to hypnotize idiots, and it's only an edge because weak willed or complicit people let him get away with it.
- johnnyanmac 9mo ago
  >Where is Garcia now In the US, for the next month. Who STILL wants to deport him after this embarrasing fumble of administrative incompetence? Trump https://marylandmatters.org/2026/01/16/whats-next-for-maryland-man-awaiting-a-decision-on-whether-he-can-stay-in-the-us/ https://marylandmatters.org/2026/01/16/whats-next-for-maryla... They couldn't bring a single man back and sweep all this under the rug. Trump has to get the last word in. Remember beforehand that they were trying to bribe him to self-deport to a country he wasn't even born in.
- ipython 9mo ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qjau6v/bovino_throws_tear_gas_in_minneapolis_12126/ https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qjau6v/bovino_t... In direct violation of a court order not to use chemical weapons. https://turnto10.com/news/nation-world/judge-rules-against-ice-no-detentions-or-tear-gas-at-peaceful-protests-in-twin-cities-pepper-spray-chemical-irritants-minneapolis-minnesota-immigration-and-customs-enforcement-border-patrol-agents-officers-walz-frey-trump https://turnto10.com/news/nation-world/judge-rules-against-i... Not that you care but might as well share.

jamroom 9mo ago

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-federal-court-ruling-ignore-b2792939.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

johnnyanmac 9mo ago
Very true. The trials against these people better be brutal (assuming they don't all run to Argentina). It's frustrating now, but having all these cases and cases over ignoring orders is a very important paper trail if we want to civilly resolve all of this. The new DoJ can certainly go after the old one and they have a disgusting amount of cases to comb through to make their case. And a frankly incompetent opposition (it's okay, about 2/3rds of the DOJ quit as of now, I imagine many of the sensible/talented ones realized the incompetence).
- amanaplanacanal 9mo ago
  A new DOJ might be able to go after the old one, except for one problem: the presidential pardon power is absolute, should he choose to use it.

jleyank 9mo ago

Depends on where the 11 Airborne goes. Most places outside of existing training sites break treaties or cause civil unrest/volate posse comitatus.

analognoise 9mo ago

> On the other hand we have federal district court judges in podunk deciding that they have the unilateral ability to stop the president from exercising executive authority He doesn’t have unlimited executive authority; it makes sense for a judge to be able to determine where that line is. It’s literally their job?

Supermancho 9mo ago

> I have not seen the Trump administration fail to obey a single court order If we can avoid playing word games, the Trump administration has been accused of defying or frustrating court orders at an unprecedented rate, with analyses indicating it failed to comply with approximately one in three judicial rulings against its actions. Notably in regard to deportations. The administration either acts in defiance of, or appeals until the case is elevated to a sympathetic judge or eventually complies. This is the trend and has been a successful set of tactics so far.

efitz 9mo ago
No word games at all. Every American, even the president, even (gasp) Donald Trump, has the right of appeal of judicial orders and rulings. I could just as well say that people and organizations who oppose Trump's immigration policies go "judge shopping" or "jurisdiction shopping" to find sympathetic judges, which happens all the time (For example, there is absolutely no justification for Judge Boasberg in the DC Circuit to have adjudicated the issue of the deportations from Texas; it should have been a local judge in TX). Inferior court judges (i.e. judicial branch judges that are not Supreme Court justices), only have judicial authority as granted by Congress, and it's not clear whether they do or should have jurisdiction outside their circuit- the Supreme Court is currently deciding that one. Congress explicitly has denied judicial branch judges from jurisdiction over immigration issues, in favor of immigration judges. I believe that most of the judicial actions against the administration wrt immigration are largely lawless (illegal) actions by judges, but I am very much not worried about Trump because his administration is NOT ignoring court orders. There is a lot of FUD in the news that you have to do a bit of reading to understand (for example, why district court judges may not lawfully order a halt to a deportation that has been properly adjudicated by an immigration court). My bottom line is that I don't see a Constitutional crisis in Trump's actions, although I very much see many reasons why many people would be upset; he has a very polarizing personality and demeanor.
- johnnyanmac 9mo ago
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-federal-court-ruling-ignore-b2792939.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... This really isn't up for debate. the admin has most certainly ignored court orders. >Every American, even the president, even (gasp) Donald Trump, has the right of appeal of judicial orders and rulings. If I even talked the way Blanche and Bondi did in these hearings, I'd instantly be held in contempt and be thrown in jail. let alone the overreach of order applied. Let's not pretend that we are on an equal playing ground here. >Inferior court judges I think this phrasing alone says a lot more about you than anything you typed. I bet over Biden you were ranting about how the Supreme Court is corrupt. Just shifting in the sands based on what "your team" is doing, laws be damned.

anon291 9mo ago

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cmurf 9mo ago
Trump, while president, sent a mob to assassinate the vice-president of the United States, and members of Congress, because Mike Pence refused Trump’s illegal order to overturn an election both of them had lost. The current president is plainly undemocratic. It’s a matter of public record.
asdff 9mo ago
He is openly talking about doing away with elections.