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Almost nobody in europe cares about these things. Nobody has gone out demonstrating for digital rights vs american companies. If we did we we would have already

by seydor 9mo ago

Almost nobody in europe cares about these things. Nobody has gone out demonstrating for digital rights vs american companies. If we did we we would have already firewalled europe outside big tech. Why are these articles finding their way here? In europe , this is not news, never.

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pbhjpbhj 9mo ago
I've been actively moving away from USA originated products. I'm happy to see alternatives being discussed. I really don't think it's moral to fund fascist states in this way, sorry. Yes, I'm still here, despite being told (paraphrasing) 'fuck off we don't want anyone from outside USA here'.
- akramachamarei 9mo ago
  What does fascism mean to you, exactly?
- vixen99 9mo ago
  Fascism: 'A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.' Interesting because doesn't every sort of democratic state try to be 'a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls'? Depends how stringent and usually not stringent enough for many on the Left and on the Right. When tempted to use the word 'fascism', is it not better to describe the issue with which one's concerned (maybe deeply) rather than using a fit-all word and take care not to devalue the significance of the word as it was, for instance, applied in WW2 to some of the appalling atrocities that occurred in that period and those we've seen reports of recently?
  - pbhjpbhj 9mo ago
    A clearly corrupt dictatorial leader, lack of rule of law, violent oppression of ones own citizens, perpetual lying and use of mass media to influence the populous, violent incursions in to the affairs of other countries without UN support, threats of violent invasion against erstwhile allies, release of violent offenders and drug dealers (clearly in exchange for money), accepting of bribes more generally, acting against supposed allied interests, purging of military leaders according to political affiliations, manipulation of international markets for insider trading, refusal to address child trafficking for rape and sexual abuse (and possibly murder), release of violent insurrectionists, release of violent neo-nazi offenders (eg Proud Boys), breach of constitution, actions to prevent national and foreign journalists having access, actions to suppress proper reporting of the regimes actions, war crimes/murder of shipwrecked people, ... I'm sure there's loads more if the question is somehow genuine? Just spending $billions on an illegal (ie not established through constitutionally sound, democratic legislative means) military force, who travel in unmarked vehicles, conceal their identities, and target citizens in areas that politically oppose Trump are alone actions of a fascist regime. They murder, disappear, deport with no due process and act as if outside the law. Their actions, such as murder, are supported fully by the public face of the regime. This regime is publicly supported by the billionaire owners of tech and media companies operating in USA. Little people like me don't have much, but every £pound is a vote.
NotGMan 9mo ago
This. Outside of an extremely small minority no-one cares.
NalNezumi 9mo ago
>Why are these articles finding their way here? In europe , this is not news, never. ... Because this is hacker news and not euro news? This is pretty much on point both for tech topic and vague "hacker ethos" as a topic.
lucianbr 9mo ago
Conveniently sidestepping the discussion of "should we care". I don't know how many people care or not, but I think more would care if the situation and implications were better known. It's good that this is brought to attention, and to say "people don't know so let's not talk about it" is absurd.
brazzy 9mo ago
> Why are these articles finding their way here? In europe , this is not news, never. A provably untrue statement. Examples: https://www.politico.eu/article/big-tech-lobbying-brussels-digital-markets-act-digital-services-act/ https://www.politico.eu/article/big-tech-lobbying-brussels-d... https://www.brusselstimes.com/1916422/us-tech-giants-allying-with-european-far-right-to-strip-back-eu-rules https://www.brusselstimes.com/1916422/us-tech-giants-allying... https://taz.de/Digitale-Rechte-in-Europa/!6130097/ https://taz.de/Digitale-Rechte-in-Europa/!6130097/ https://fr.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/04/18/champ-de-bataille-big-tech-lue-doit-elle-frapper-la-forteresse-numerique https://fr.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/04/18/champ-de-batail...
zecg 9mo ago
> In europe , this is not news, never. That's just false. Example, here's a shitty tabloid in Croatia: https://www.24sata.hr/news/vrh-europske-komisije-mijenja-pravila-gdpr-a-ovo-je-vodic-kroz-opasan-presedan-1099809 https://www.24sata.hr/news/vrh-europske-komisije-mijenja-pra...
saubeidl 9mo ago
Speak for yourself.
pjc50 9mo ago
People have been caring about this for 20+ years. I'll admit that it's a minority position, but Germans in particular get very upset about mass surveillance.

by seydor 9mo ago

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pbhjpbhj 9mo ago

I've been actively moving away from USA originated products. I'm happy to see alternatives being discussed. I really don't think it's moral to fund fascist states in this way, sorry. Yes, I'm still here, despite being told (paraphrasing) 'fuck off we don't want anyone from outside USA here'.

akramachamarei 9mo ago
What does fascism mean to you, exactly?
vixen99 9mo ago
Fascism: 'A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.' Interesting because doesn't every sort of democratic state try to be 'a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls'? Depends how stringent and usually not stringent enough for many on the Left and on the Right. When tempted to use the word 'fascism', is it not better to describe the issue with which one's concerned (maybe deeply) rather than using a fit-all word and take care not to devalue the significance of the word as it was, for instance, applied in WW2 to some of the appalling atrocities that occurred in that period and those we've seen reports of recently?
- pbhjpbhj 9mo ago
  A clearly corrupt dictatorial leader, lack of rule of law, violent oppression of ones own citizens, perpetual lying and use of mass media to influence the populous, violent incursions in to the affairs of other countries without UN support, threats of violent invasion against erstwhile allies, release of violent offenders and drug dealers (clearly in exchange for money), accepting of bribes more generally, acting against supposed allied interests, purging of military leaders according to political affiliations, manipulation of international markets for insider trading, refusal to address child trafficking for rape and sexual abuse (and possibly murder), release of violent insurrectionists, release of violent neo-nazi offenders (eg Proud Boys), breach of constitution, actions to prevent national and foreign journalists having access, actions to suppress proper reporting of the regimes actions, war crimes/murder of shipwrecked people, ... I'm sure there's loads more if the question is somehow genuine? Just spending $billions on an illegal (ie not established through constitutionally sound, democratic legislative means) military force, who travel in unmarked vehicles, conceal their identities, and target citizens in areas that politically oppose Trump are alone actions of a fascist regime. They murder, disappear, deport with no due process and act as if outside the law. Their actions, such as murder, are supported fully by the public face of the regime. This regime is publicly supported by the billionaire owners of tech and media companies operating in USA. Little people like me don't have much, but every £pound is a vote.

NotGMan 9mo ago

This. Outside of an extremely small minority no-one cares.

NalNezumi 9mo ago

>Why are these articles finding their way here? In europe , this is not news, never. ... Because this is hacker news and not euro news? This is pretty much on point both for tech topic and vague "hacker ethos" as a topic.

lucianbr 9mo ago

Conveniently sidestepping the discussion of "should we care". I don't know how many people care or not, but I think more would care if the situation and implications were better known. It's good that this is brought to attention, and to say "people don't know so let's not talk about it" is absurd.

brazzy 9mo ago

> Why are these articles finding their way here? In europe , this is not news, never. A provably untrue statement. Examples: https://www.politico.eu/article/big-tech-lobbying-brussels-digital-markets-act-digital-services-act/ https://www.politico.eu/article/big-tech-lobbying-brussels-d... https://www.brusselstimes.com/1916422/us-tech-giants-allying-with-european-far-right-to-strip-back-eu-rules https://www.brusselstimes.com/1916422/us-tech-giants-allying... https://taz.de/Digitale-Rechte-in-Europa/!6130097/ https://taz.de/Digitale-Rechte-in-Europa/!6130097/ https://fr.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/04/18/champ-de-bataille-big-tech-lue-doit-elle-frapper-la-forteresse-numerique https://fr.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/04/18/champ-de-batail...

zecg 9mo ago

> In europe , this is not news, never. That's just false. Example, here's a shitty tabloid in Croatia: https://www.24sata.hr/news/vrh-europske-komisije-mijenja-pravila-gdpr-a-ovo-je-vodic-kroz-opasan-presedan-1099809 https://www.24sata.hr/news/vrh-europske-komisije-mijenja-pra...

saubeidl 9mo ago

Speak for yourself.

pjc50 9mo ago

People have been caring about this for 20+ years. I'll admit that it's a minority position, but Germans in particular get very upset about mass surveillance.