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As they say, the demand for racism far outstrips the supply. It's hard to spend all day outraged if you rely on reality to supply enough fodder.

Refreeze5224 9mo ago
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- theteapot 9mo ago
  I'm noticing more of these race baiting comments on YC too lately. AI?
  - ycombinator_acc 9mo ago
    No, that’s a common cope. Not AI. Not bots. Not Indians or Pakistanis. Not Kremlin or Hasbara agents. All the above might comprise a small percentage of it, but the vast majority of the rage bait and rage bait support we’ve seen over the past year+ on the Internet (including here) is just westerners being (allowed and encouraged by each other to be) racist toward non-whites in various ways.
    - theteapot 9mo ago
      How's your day been?
neilv 9mo ago
I hadn't heard that saying. Many people seek being outraged. Many people seek to have awareness of truth. Many people seek getting help for problems. These are not mutually exclusive. Just because someone fakes an incident of racism doesn't mean racism isn't still commonplace. In various forms, with various levels of harm, and with various levels of evidence available. (Example of low evidence: a paper trail isn't left when a black person doesn't get a job for "culture fit" gut feel reasons.) Also, faked evidence can be done for a variety of reasons, including by someone who intends for the faking to be discovered, with the goal of discrediting the position that the fake initially seemed to support. (Famous alleged example, in second paragraph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy#Accusations_of_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy#... )
- self_awareness 9mo ago
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  - mxkopy 9mo ago
    Think they did the exact opposite > Also, faked evidence can be done for a variety of reasons, including by someone who intends for the faking to be discovered
    - self_awareness 9mo ago
      Well yes, that's what he wrote, but that's like saying: stealing can be done for variety of reasons, including by someone who intends the theft to be discovered? Killing can be done for variety of reasons, including by someone who intends the killing to be discovered? I read it as "producing racist videos can sometimes be used in good faith"?
      - deleted 9mo ago
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      - mxkopy 9mo ago
        I think they’re just saying we should interpret this video in a way that’s consistent with known historical facts. On one hand, it’s not depicting events that are strictly untrue, so we shouldn’t discredit it. On the other hand, since the video itself is literally fake, when we discredit it we shouldn’t accidentally also discredit the events it’s depicting.
        self_awareness 9mo ago
        Are you saying that if there is 1 instance of a true event, then fake videos done in a similar way as this true event is rational and needed?
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silisili 9mo ago
Rage sells. Not long after EBT changes, there were a rash of videos of people playing the person people against welfare imagine in their head. Women, usually black, speaking improperly about how the taxpayers need to take care of their kids. Not sure how I feel about that, to be honest. On one hand I admire the hustle for clicks. On the other, too many people fell for it and probably never knew it was a grift, making all recipients look bad. I only happened upon them researching a bit after my own mom called me raging about it and sent me the link.
hn_throwaway_99 9mo ago
I like that saying. You can see it all the time on Reddit where, not even counting AI generated content, you see rage bait that is (re)posted literally years after the fact. It's like "yeah, OK this guy sucks, but why are you reposting this 5 years after it went viral?"
actionfromafar 9mo ago
That's why this administration is working hard to fill the demand.
- verisimi 9mo ago
  Political!
  - actionfromafar 9mo ago
    More like observation. Have you seen the videos DHS puts out?
blks 9mo ago
You sure about that? I think actions of the US administration together with ICE and police work provide quite enough
watwut 9mo ago
Wut? If you listen to what real people say, racism is quite common has all the power right now.
InsideOutSanta 9mo ago
This is not the right thing to take away from this. This isn't about one group of people wanting to be angry. It's about creating engagement (for corporations) and creating division in general (for entities intent on harming liberal societies). In fact, your comment is part of the problem. You are one of the people who want to be outraged. In your case, outraged at people who think racism is a problem. So you attack one group of people, not realizing that you are making the issue worse by further escalating and blaming actual people, rather than realizing that the problem is systemic. We have social networks like Facebook that require people to be angry, because anger generates engagement, and engagement generates views, and views generate ad impressions. We have outside actors who benefit from division, so they also fuel that fire by creating bot accounts that post inciting content. This has nothing to do with racism or people on one side. One second, these outside actors post a fake incident of a racist cop to fire up one side, and the next, they post a fake incident about schools with litter boxes for kids who identify as pets to fire up the other side. Until you realize that this is the root of the problem, that the whole system is built to make people angry at each other, you are only contributing to the anger and division.
- blfr 9mo ago
  I agree with grandparent and think you have cause and effect backwards: people really do want to be outraged so Facebook and the like provide rage bait. Sometimes through algos tuning themselves to that need, sometimes deliberately. But Facebook cannot "require" people do be angry. Facebook can barely even "require" people to log in, only those locked into Messenger ecosystem. I don't use Facebook but I do use TikTok, and Twitter, and YouTube. It's very easy to filter rage bait out of your timeline. I get very little of it, mark it "uninterested"/mute/"don't recommend channel" and the timeline dutifully obeys. My timelines are full of popsci, golden retrievers, sketches, recordings of local trams (nevermind), and when AI makes an appearance it's the narrative kind[1] which I admit I like or old jokes recycled with AI. The root of the problem is in us. Not on Facebook. Even if it exploits it. Surfers don't cause waves. [1] https://www.tiktok.com/@gossip.goblin https://www.tiktok.com/@gossip.goblin
  - InsideOutSanta 9mo ago
pjc50 9mo ago
Wrong takeaway. There are plenty of real incidents. The reason for posting fake incidents is to discredit the real ones.
whattheheckheck 9mo ago
Right... when you overhear the elderly in the gym locker rooms talk about "the Mexicans that keep moving in" yeah racism is so short in supply....

Refreeze5224 9mo ago

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theteapot 9mo ago
I'm noticing more of these race baiting comments on YC too lately. AI?
- ycombinator_acc 9mo ago
  No, that’s a common cope. Not AI. Not bots. Not Indians or Pakistanis. Not Kremlin or Hasbara agents. All the above might comprise a small percentage of it, but the vast majority of the rage bait and rage bait support we’ve seen over the past year+ on the Internet (including here) is just westerners being (allowed and encouraged by each other to be) racist toward non-whites in various ways.
  - theteapot 9mo ago
    How's your day been?

neilv 9mo ago

I hadn't heard that saying. Many people seek being outraged. Many people seek to have awareness of truth. Many people seek getting help for problems. These are not mutually exclusive. Just because someone fakes an incident of racism doesn't mean racism isn't still commonplace. In various forms, with various levels of harm, and with various levels of evidence available. (Example of low evidence: a paper trail isn't left when a black person doesn't get a job for "culture fit" gut feel reasons.) Also, faked evidence can be done for a variety of reasons, including by someone who intends for the faking to be discovered, with the goal of discrediting the position that the fake initially seemed to support. (Famous alleged example, in second paragraph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy#Accusations_of_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy#... )

self_awareness 9mo ago
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- mxkopy 9mo ago
  Think they did the exact opposite > Also, faked evidence can be done for a variety of reasons, including by someone who intends for the faking to be discovered
  - self_awareness 9mo ago
    Well yes, that's what he wrote, but that's like saying: stealing can be done for variety of reasons, including by someone who intends the theft to be discovered? Killing can be done for variety of reasons, including by someone who intends the killing to be discovered? I read it as "producing racist videos can sometimes be used in good faith"?
    - deleted 9mo ago
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    - mxkopy 9mo ago
      I think they’re just saying we should interpret this video in a way that’s consistent with known historical facts. On one hand, it’s not depicting events that are strictly untrue, so we shouldn’t discredit it. On the other hand, since the video itself is literally fake, when we discredit it we shouldn’t accidentally also discredit the events it’s depicting.
      - self_awareness 9mo ago
        Are you saying that if there is 1 instance of a true event, then fake videos done in a similar way as this true event is rational and needed?
        deleted 9mo ago

silisili 9mo ago

Rage sells. Not long after EBT changes, there were a rash of videos of people playing the person people against welfare imagine in their head. Women, usually black, speaking improperly about how the taxpayers need to take care of their kids. Not sure how I feel about that, to be honest. On one hand I admire the hustle for clicks. On the other, too many people fell for it and probably never knew it was a grift, making all recipients look bad. I only happened upon them researching a bit after my own mom called me raging about it and sent me the link.

hn_throwaway_99 9mo ago

I like that saying. You can see it all the time on Reddit where, not even counting AI generated content, you see rage bait that is (re)posted literally years after the fact. It's like "yeah, OK this guy sucks, but why are you reposting this 5 years after it went viral?"

actionfromafar 9mo ago

That's why this administration is working hard to fill the demand.

verisimi 9mo ago
Political!
- actionfromafar 9mo ago
  More like observation. Have you seen the videos DHS puts out?

blks 9mo ago

You sure about that? I think actions of the US administration together with ICE and police work provide quite enough

watwut 9mo ago

Wut? If you listen to what real people say, racism is quite common has all the power right now.

InsideOutSanta 9mo ago

This is not the right thing to take away from this. This isn't about one group of people wanting to be angry. It's about creating engagement (for corporations) and creating division in general (for entities intent on harming liberal societies). In fact, your comment is part of the problem. You are one of the people who want to be outraged. In your case, outraged at people who think racism is a problem. So you attack one group of people, not realizing that you are making the issue worse by further escalating and blaming actual people, rather than realizing that the problem is systemic. We have social networks like Facebook that require people to be angry, because anger generates engagement, and engagement generates views, and views generate ad impressions. We have outside actors who benefit from division, so they also fuel that fire by creating bot accounts that post inciting content. This has nothing to do with racism or people on one side. One second, these outside actors post a fake incident of a racist cop to fire up one side, and the next, they post a fake incident about schools with litter boxes for kids who identify as pets to fire up the other side. Until you realize that this is the root of the problem, that the whole system is built to make people angry at each other, you are only contributing to the anger and division.

blfr 9mo ago
I agree with grandparent and think you have cause and effect backwards: people really do want to be outraged so Facebook and the like provide rage bait. Sometimes through algos tuning themselves to that need, sometimes deliberately. But Facebook cannot "require" people do be angry. Facebook can barely even "require" people to log in, only those locked into Messenger ecosystem. I don't use Facebook but I do use TikTok, and Twitter, and YouTube. It's very easy to filter rage bait out of your timeline. I get very little of it, mark it "uninterested"/mute/"don't recommend channel" and the timeline dutifully obeys. My timelines are full of popsci, golden retrievers, sketches, recordings of local trams (nevermind), and when AI makes an appearance it's the narrative kind[1] which I admit I like or old jokes recycled with AI. The root of the problem is in us. Not on Facebook. Even if it exploits it. Surfers don't cause waves. [1] https://www.tiktok.com/@gossip.goblin https://www.tiktok.com/@gossip.goblin
- InsideOutSanta 9mo ago

pjc50 9mo ago

Wrong takeaway. There are plenty of real incidents. The reason for posting fake incidents is to discredit the real ones.

whattheheckheck 9mo ago

Right... when you overhear the elderly in the gym locker rooms talk about "the Mexicans that keep moving in" yeah racism is so short in supply....