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Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis
- secretsatan 9mo agoInfowars has been warning for decades this would happen, clearly just projection, where are all the militias vowing they would oppose this?
- SkipperCat 9mo agoThey all joined ICE.
- colechristensen 9mo agoThe militias are cosplaying cowards, the actual people of Minnesota are ramping up and succeeding in resisting ICE. There is a nonzero chance there will be a standoff between the national guard and the army in Minneapolis. Trump is trying to incite an insurrection so he politically gets a free hand to do whatever he wants. If Congress and the courts are too slow or too cowardly to get anything done, he might get what he wants.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 9mo agoWhat militias? I always thought the state nat guard were the modern militias not the fat old man LARPers you hear talking in gun stores.
- rolph 9mo agocivilians vs persons enlisted as government forces. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 9mo agoUS from your link > The Militia Act of 1903 divided what had been the militia into what it termed the "organized" militia, created from portions of the former state guards to become state National Guard units
- rolph 9mo agoyes, the present national guard is very much a government entity, and held to the same training standards as federal armed forces. they regularily hold joint training. the people at large however are not prevented from forming a militia or a posse, or volunteering to be deputized by a local police force. the common element is that they are responding to a domestic threat originated from government activities. the original conception of american government insists that the government exist at the consent of the governed, in service of the governed, and this consent is revoked when that government fails to colour inside the lines when interpreting the constitution of the USA
- thesuperbigfrog 9mo agoMany US states also have a state guard that is under the sole control of the state government: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_defense_force https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_defense_force These forces are distinct from the state's National Guard and cannot be federalized.
- beedeebeedee 9mo agoYes, but these state militia units would not be capable of offering much resistance to any federal forces (I was a trooper in the CT Governor’s Horse Guard. My company did have some guns, and we got a little bit of firearms training, but nothing compared to the National Guard or Army).
- colechristensen 9mo agoThe definition of "militias" tends to depend on your political affiliation and the interpretation of that word is often a strong argument determined by how you felt about the 2nd amendment. The framers certainly didn't think of militias either as the professional standing force that is the national guard nor could they probably even conceive of these little gun enthusiast wannabe paramilitary groups (or maybe if they wondered what if Don Quixote was an enormous asshole and also a small group instead of just a man) But you get a group of people together, arm them, and give them the goal of being ready to use those arms for one purpose or another... that's a militia. It's a pretty broad term lots of folks want to shove into a pretty narrow definition.
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- stefan_ 9mo agoThey only show up when another kid shot their parents in the face.
- SubiculumCode 9mo agoIt's amazing and sad to watch Republicans so quickly forget what 'Republic' means as they trash State Sovereignty and lick the Federal Boot...MAGA means RINO.
- goatlover 9mo agoI guess "Don't Tread on Me" and states rights are just for red states. It's shameful watching all the hypocrisy.
- colechristensen 9mo agoSo many people are like this. Their ideals only apply when they benefit people they like.
- cheema33 9mo agoYou may not have meant to excuse the sad state we are in by presenting the "both sides are bad" argument. But it does have a strong whiff of it. Both sides are bad. No doubt about it. It has always been that way. But, one side takes being bad to a whole new level. Our choice has always been between bad and less bad. The voters decided to pull the lever for "massively bad" during the last presidential election because they could not tell the difference.
- colechristensen 9mo agoThe politics of fear stoked by two sets of extremists egging eachother on is the core reason we're in this mess, the failure to reject both simultaneously and the desire to rule with feelings instead of facts caused it all. I'm not a "whatabout" guy, I'm actively opposed to both extremes. The far left is just as capable of ruling with violence as the far right, they just haven't got the opportunity in this country yet. The politics of emotion and absolutism is the cause, which flavor of extremism you pick isn't the core issue.
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- edhelas 9mo agoFrench here, what was the the 2nd Amendment already? > A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. A yes, "necessary to the security of a free State", so, what about it?
- colechristensen 9mo agoWe're not yet at the level yet. Just the possibility of an armed population resisting still gives them pause. But we're not at the level of the theoretical threat becoming realized. If the people too eagerly exercise it they'll be used as justification for further oppression. Resistance is political. Unfortunately most of our politicians are spineless cowards on both sides. But it is not at all a mystery about how things got to be the way they were in the 1930s. I've heard people I know advocate for atrocities.
- quantummagic 9mo agoMany Americans don't value the 2nd amendment very much. Public opinion in Minnesota in particular, is largely in favour of strict gun laws. Many anti-gun advocates claim that developing a militia against the government is futile and even counterproductive.
- CompanionCubee 9mo ago> Public opinion in Minnesota in particular, is largely in favour of strict gun laws. Many anti-gun advocates claim that developing a militia against the government is futile and even counterproductive. So a "have your cake and eat it too" situation.
- locopati 9mo agoYou point out the views of anti-gun folks while failing to note that all those loud & proud 2A advocates seem to be pretty happy with the current turn of events and not showing up at all as the government overreaches and repeatedly shits on the Constitution. I imagine there a quite a number of Don't Tread On Me gun lovers in ICE.
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- the__alchemist 9mo agoAs a veteran, I have optimism these active duty military troops will recognize their duty. "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". ICE is the best example of a domestic enemy I have seen.
- aebtebeten 9mo agoI'm suspecting they'd stay neutral, but even that would be better than ICE alone: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46666605 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46666605
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- secretsatan 9mo agoI’m even confused about your use of relative? Relative to what?
- secretsatan 9mo agoEven the trump administration can’t find evidence
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- atomicnumber3 9mo agoWhy did Minneapolis end up getting more ire than Chicago? I thought it was Chicago that Trump wouldn't shut up about this whole time
- __MatrixMan__ 9mo agoI'm not especially in the know about such things. Is there a Chicago politician that crossed Trump such that revenge against Chicago would be in the cards? I assume this is about Walz running against him. It would be California (due to Harris) but they're probably in a better position to fight back than Michigan is.
- greggoB 9mo agoMight have to do with the size of the city - I've heard through the grapevine that even Minneapolis is too big and they're thinking of shifting to some city in Maine or New Hampshire. "Too big" supposedly meaning orchestrating something that allows them to have the optics without the potential for fallout. This is really speculation though.
- jshier 9mo agoThey found a weakness to justify an increase in violence to their base: the day care corruption. Despite the fact that most of that was found and prosecuted years ago, right-wing influencers were successfully able to bring it back to the forefront, and the administration jumped on it to justify an increased ICE presence, naturally leading to the violence we see. They didn't get the same thing in Chicago, where ICE avoided most of the areas likely to see violence in the first place. And they didn't leave Chicago, they just aren't publicizing it like they were.
- tptacek 9mo agoBecause of the fraud scandal and the concentration of cases among the Somali community there (that those people are generally citizens and not immigrants or refugees is besides the point to the administration). The MN fraud story is a huge big deal in conservative media.
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- vkou 9mo agoAs the saying goes, the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of the weak and the marginalized.
- noncoml 9mo agoThis presidency reminds me a lot this speech from Knives Out: Onion Ring: “ If you want to shake things up, you start with something small. You break a norm or an idea or a convention, some little business model, but you go with things that people are kind of tired of anyway. Everybody gets excited because you're busting up something that everyone wanted broken in the first place. That's the infraction point. That's the place where you have to look within yourself, and ask: Am I the kind of person who will keep going? Will you break more things? Break bigger things? Be willing to break the thing that nobody wants you to break? Because at that point, people are not going to be on your side. They're going to call you crazy. They're gonna say you're a bully. They're gonna tell you to stop. Even your partner will say you need to stop. Because as it turns out, nobody wants you to break the system itself. But that is what true disruption is, and that is what unites all of us. We all got to that line, and crossed it.‘ It’s like the following this recipe to break the system
- andrewinardeer 9mo agoIt's Knives Out: Glass Onion, but I'll take Onion Ring because it's Monday morning and I need a laugh before signing on.
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- throw20251220 9mo agoFortunately they have the second amendment to protect themselves from an oppressive government.
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- lawn 9mo agoTrump is on the cusp of inciting a civil war and it's Biden's fault! As Nazis blamed Jews for everything, Magas blame Biden.
- seanmcdirmid 9mo agoThey blame immigrants (something the Nazis also did) and liberals (Nazis were very anti-left and killed lots of communists, homosexuals, etc…in addition to Jews).
- timeon 9mo agoHow is Obama relevant here? Were there mass kidnappings on the streets?
- dingi 9mo agoGenuine question to US folks: Why do you guys seem to be hell bent on keeping and welcoming large number of illegal immigrants in your country? Almost no other country does that except western ones. From an outsider’s viewpoint, current approach of letting almost anyone in does not seem to work that well.
- goatlover 9mo agoThe US is a huge country with a massive economy and large borders. There are many jobs for migrants to do. It's why at times Trump has appeared to backtrack on hardline deportation stance, saying undocumented farm and hotel workers are hard working and needed. Likely because businesses called him worried they would lose too many workers.
- atmavatar 9mo ago> From an outsider’s viewpoint, current approach of letting almost anyone in does not seem to work that well. By what metric do you make this determination? From a crime perspective, legal immigrants commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens, and illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes still. From an economic perspective, immigrants of all stripes tend to work harder than native-born citizens so they can establish themselves here. They contribute to society, pay their taxes, and in the case of illegal immigrants, aren't even afforded its protections and services. The only metric by which I could see an argument that immigration has backfired is in political unrest, but that's mostly due to the fact that the right-wing media has been stoking panic over immigration for decades - anything to distract from how easily we're being fleeced by the wealthy and powerful.
- enrightened 9mo agoIllegal immigrants commit fewer crimes - that’s absolutely bullshit.
- PyWoody 9mo agoThe New Colossus Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
- jaybrendansmith 9mo agoThis is setting things up for a real conflict. Protesters, National Guard called by Walz, Troops coming in. I am absolutely certain the 1500 soldiers going in are hand-selected MAGA morons. Checkmate ... martial law declared!
- sheikhnbake 9mo agoI'd be surprised if Walz has the spine to deploy the Guard in response.
- QuantumGood 9mo agoGuard already deployed by Walz. How used, what will change, what will actually happen is up in the air.
- QuantumGood 9mo agoThough they've been seen and photographed in action locally, it's unclear how many are active, how many on standby, what plans are. So "deployed" is not that useful of a designation.
- pseudohadamard 9mo agoIn similar situations overseas the dictatorship's troops have sometimes been stopped by civilians blocking their path and putting flowers into their rifle barrels. It really depends on how far the dictatorship has managed to split the troops away from the civilians they're supposed to be protecting. The IRGC is an extreme example of that.
- hulitu 9mo ago> Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis If you don't come to democracy, democracy comes to you.
- windowpains 9mo agoThe cold weather there may be a great way to prepare for the assault on Greenland. (Mostly joking :)
- 73kl4453dz 9mo agoAnchorage is closer to Nuuk than to Minneapolis by air... Just saying.
- 73kl4453dz 9mo agoAlmost as close, sorry.
- frisbm 9mo agojust popping in to say that it is 15° F in Nuuk right now and 1° F in Minneapolis. Currently 26° F in Anchorage. Minneapolis is often colder than the Alaskan Metro areas with Fairbanks being an exception.