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Iran report says 16,500 dead in 'genocide under digital darkness'

81 points by Tomte 9mo ago

Tomte 9mo ago
https://archive.ph/wWZJ7 https://archive.ph/wWZJ7
yadaeno 9mo ago
For reference ~8000 people died on D-Day. Most of the protestors killed are believed to be under 30.
- mac-attack 9mo ago
  ~2,500 for Tiananmen Square
  - swat535 9mo ago
    I think that the biggest problem with Iran right now, is that there is no clear opposition party. South Africa had Mandela, India had Gandhi and Chile had Aylwin. We only have "Reza Pahalavi" being pushed by United State and Israel. He is nowhere qualified to run the country and hasn't stepped a foot there for decades. None of these movements are going to succeed, unless someone from within the country forms a strong party and unifies everyone. Either way, I'm afraid that Iranians are going to be suffering for a long time.
    - throwawayheui57 9mo ago
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  - qohen 9mo ago
    The toll was significantly higher -- this is from a 2017 BBC article [0]: The Chinese army crackdown on the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests killed at least 10,000 people, according to newly released UK documents. The figure was given in a secret diplomatic cable from then British ambassador to China, Sir Alan Donald. The original source was a friend of a member of China's State Council, the envoy says. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-42465516 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-42465516
jdmoreira 9mo ago
Maybe the U.S. Second Amendment isn’t necessarily a bad thing. People should have the ability to resist or overthrow a tyrannical government. This is what happens when the population has no guns.
- deleted 9mo ago
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- trymas 9mo ago
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  - K0balt 9mo ago
    Nah, not really. Thats what the polarizing media would have you believe…. But guns are everywhere in the USA.
    - arbitrary_name 9mo ago
      The Venn between 'sees footage of ICE and still wants to recruit' and 'gun owner' overlaps a lot more than the former and non-gun owners. I'm a gun owner and think it's abhorrent, but c'mon: who do you think is stepping up to the plate right now?
      - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
        > Venn between 'sees footage of ICE and still wants to recruit' and 'gun owner' overlaps a lot more than the former and non-gun owners I’d encourage you to be rigorous with this assumption. The line between even folks who will cheer on a Gestapo on TV and those who would materially aid it in their own communities is bright and wide.
      - K0balt 9mo ago
        I’m sure there is more overlap between gun ownership vs non, but I’d argue the overlap from both groups is vanishingly small. Plenty of liberals own guns, and also a lot of people that would not identify as liberal are extremely anti gestapo. Even most of the original MAGAs are not in support of the current state of affairs.
diffs 9mo ago
And the response to this brutal crackdown from our brave and virtuous progressive activists has been a collective shrug of indifference, with some exceptions where those pillars of moral rectitude have taken a bold stance... in support of the fascist theocracy that has massacred its own people.
- owebmaster 9mo ago
  You took 25 days to post your first comment? And a very divisive one at that?
  - diffs 9mo ago
    I feel strongly about this issue. I don't feel it's divisive, it might be dismissive but my point in the comment is factual. Edit: Take a look at The Intercept as an example. Protests began three weeks ago. The only posts TI has on Iran basically amount to "Israel bad" and "Son of Shah likes Israel and Israel is bad, therefore son of Shah is bad". That's it. This is a moral failure of the highest order and it underscores, for me at least, that most of these faux-progressives' activism is purely performative.
    - camgunz 9mo ago
      You politely left out "overtly anti-Semitic"
    - chaps 9mo ago
      I get you -- when I was doing investigative reporting about policing and technology, the Intercept's energy was basically "great pitch, but we want you to do 8mo more work before we'll talk; good luck not being able to afford rent in the meantime". But, friend, with love -- shit talking about what people are doing or not doing is not the answer. Lead by example.
      - diffs 9mo ago
        > But, friend, with love -- shit talking about what people are doing or not doing is not the answer. Lead by example. Why do you assume I'm not doing? Having said that, my options are limited to obtaining the lion and sun flag and participating in a demonstration. Quiet solidarity in other words. Shit talking about people who have a platform and are not using it because Israel is absolutely valid and legitimate. That by the way is the danger with a singular obsession with one conflict, which, objectively, is not even the deadliest conflict in its region, let alone the world. Everything is either viewed through the Israel prism, as in "we're not going to express any solidarity with Iranian protesters because the fall of the theocracy might benefit Israel", or, it gets ignored entirely because there's no clout to be gained on social media.
hardlianotion 9mo ago
Iran is a beautiful country, and an important part of our shared history. It is incredible that a sophisticated society has been suppressed for so long. To my Iranian friends, I hope the day comes soon when you can safely start building a better future in Iran.
rdiddly 9mo ago
I can't even see what's the end game for this. Nobody is going "Oh okay, we thought your regime was illegitimate before, but now we love it!" It just hardens the resistance. Unless maybe they're thinking they can kill them all. In which case the country shrinks and dies of old age in coming years.
- tim333 9mo ago
  I suppose either things continue for the next decades like they have for the previous few, which I guess is the most likely, or the regime gets overthrown which I find hard to see happening without foreign military intervention.
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eddie_sputz 9mo ago
I wonder whatever happened to the 60,000 Iranian protestors sentenced to death several years ago? Oh right, it was memoryholed.
CrzyLngPwd 9mo ago
How many of them were gunned down by the armed protesters?
- justsomejew 9mo ago
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- CrzyLngPwd 9mo ago
  So nobody knows?
Jamesbeam 9mo ago
Those people placed their lives in the hands of the U.S. President when he promised that help was on the way. Help never arrived, and they were slaughtered like cattle. https://time.com/7347090/iran-protesters-trump-help/ https://time.com/7347090/iran-protesters-trump-help/ For a commander‑in‑chief, as well as the military leadership, I find this behavior dishonorable. I will always be a friend of the American people, but it gets harder each day to watch the irreparable damage unfold the president is unleashing on the whole planet. Midterms will show what Americans are made off, you still have a choice and a voice. Use it wisely.
duxup 9mo ago
I wish there was a magical formula for regime change that didn't result in more horrors.
- throwawayheui57 9mo ago
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- assaddayinh 9mo ago
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assaddayinh 9mo ago
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81 points by Tomte 9mo ago

Tomte 9mo ago

https://archive.ph/wWZJ7 https://archive.ph/wWZJ7

yadaeno 9mo ago

For reference ~8000 people died on D-Day. Most of the protestors killed are believed to be under 30.

mac-attack 9mo ago
~2,500 for Tiananmen Square
- swat535 9mo ago
  I think that the biggest problem with Iran right now, is that there is no clear opposition party. South Africa had Mandela, India had Gandhi and Chile had Aylwin. We only have "Reza Pahalavi" being pushed by United State and Israel. He is nowhere qualified to run the country and hasn't stepped a foot there for decades. None of these movements are going to succeed, unless someone from within the country forms a strong party and unifies everyone. Either way, I'm afraid that Iranians are going to be suffering for a long time.
  - throwawayheui57 9mo ago
    [dead]
- qohen 9mo ago
  The toll was significantly higher -- this is from a 2017 BBC article [0]: The Chinese army crackdown on the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests killed at least 10,000 people, according to newly released UK documents. The figure was given in a secret diplomatic cable from then British ambassador to China, Sir Alan Donald. The original source was a friend of a member of China's State Council, the envoy says. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-42465516 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-42465516

jdmoreira 9mo ago

Maybe the U.S. Second Amendment isn’t necessarily a bad thing. People should have the ability to resist or overthrow a tyrannical government. This is what happens when the population has no guns.

deleted 9mo ago
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trymas 9mo ago
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- K0balt 9mo ago
  Nah, not really. Thats what the polarizing media would have you believe…. But guns are everywhere in the USA.
  - arbitrary_name 9mo ago
    The Venn between 'sees footage of ICE and still wants to recruit' and 'gun owner' overlaps a lot more than the former and non-gun owners. I'm a gun owner and think it's abhorrent, but c'mon: who do you think is stepping up to the plate right now?
    - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
      > Venn between 'sees footage of ICE and still wants to recruit' and 'gun owner' overlaps a lot more than the former and non-gun owners I’d encourage you to be rigorous with this assumption. The line between even folks who will cheer on a Gestapo on TV and those who would materially aid it in their own communities is bright and wide.
    - K0balt 9mo ago
      I’m sure there is more overlap between gun ownership vs non, but I’d argue the overlap from both groups is vanishingly small. Plenty of liberals own guns, and also a lot of people that would not identify as liberal are extremely anti gestapo. Even most of the original MAGAs are not in support of the current state of affairs.

diffs 9mo ago

And the response to this brutal crackdown from our brave and virtuous progressive activists has been a collective shrug of indifference, with some exceptions where those pillars of moral rectitude have taken a bold stance... in support of the fascist theocracy that has massacred its own people.

owebmaster 9mo ago
You took 25 days to post your first comment? And a very divisive one at that?
- diffs 9mo ago
  I feel strongly about this issue. I don't feel it's divisive, it might be dismissive but my point in the comment is factual. Edit: Take a look at The Intercept as an example. Protests began three weeks ago. The only posts TI has on Iran basically amount to "Israel bad" and "Son of Shah likes Israel and Israel is bad, therefore son of Shah is bad". That's it. This is a moral failure of the highest order and it underscores, for me at least, that most of these faux-progressives' activism is purely performative.
  - camgunz 9mo ago
    You politely left out "overtly anti-Semitic"
  - chaps 9mo ago
    I get you -- when I was doing investigative reporting about policing and technology, the Intercept's energy was basically "great pitch, but we want you to do 8mo more work before we'll talk; good luck not being able to afford rent in the meantime". But, friend, with love -- shit talking about what people are doing or not doing is not the answer. Lead by example.
    - diffs 9mo ago
      > But, friend, with love -- shit talking about what people are doing or not doing is not the answer. Lead by example. Why do you assume I'm not doing? Having said that, my options are limited to obtaining the lion and sun flag and participating in a demonstration. Quiet solidarity in other words. Shit talking about people who have a platform and are not using it because Israel is absolutely valid and legitimate. That by the way is the danger with a singular obsession with one conflict, which, objectively, is not even the deadliest conflict in its region, let alone the world. Everything is either viewed through the Israel prism, as in "we're not going to express any solidarity with Iranian protesters because the fall of the theocracy might benefit Israel", or, it gets ignored entirely because there's no clout to be gained on social media.

hardlianotion 9mo ago

Iran is a beautiful country, and an important part of our shared history. It is incredible that a sophisticated society has been suppressed for so long. To my Iranian friends, I hope the day comes soon when you can safely start building a better future in Iran.

rdiddly 9mo ago

I can't even see what's the end game for this. Nobody is going "Oh okay, we thought your regime was illegitimate before, but now we love it!" It just hardens the resistance. Unless maybe they're thinking they can kill them all. In which case the country shrinks and dies of old age in coming years.

tim333 9mo ago
I suppose either things continue for the next decades like they have for the previous few, which I guess is the most likely, or the regime gets overthrown which I find hard to see happening without foreign military intervention.

deleted 9mo ago

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eddie_sputz 9mo ago

I wonder whatever happened to the 60,000 Iranian protestors sentenced to death several years ago? Oh right, it was memoryholed.

CrzyLngPwd 9mo ago

How many of them were gunned down by the armed protesters?

justsomejew 9mo ago
[dead]
CrzyLngPwd 9mo ago
So nobody knows?

Jamesbeam 9mo ago

Those people placed their lives in the hands of the U.S. President when he promised that help was on the way. Help never arrived, and they were slaughtered like cattle. https://time.com/7347090/iran-protesters-trump-help/ https://time.com/7347090/iran-protesters-trump-help/ For a commander‑in‑chief, as well as the military leadership, I find this behavior dishonorable. I will always be a friend of the American people, but it gets harder each day to watch the irreparable damage unfold the president is unleashing on the whole planet. Midterms will show what Americans are made off, you still have a choice and a voice. Use it wisely.

duxup 9mo ago

I wish there was a magical formula for regime change that didn't result in more horrors.

throwawayheui57 9mo ago
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assaddayinh 9mo ago
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