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Musk Seeks Up to $134B Damages from OpenAI, Microsoft

31 points by SanjayMehta 9mo ago

rand846633 9mo ago
If you are confident that you can reach arbitrary judgments in about 1% of all cases, maybe via corruption, political influence or just random arbitrariness of court decisions, would this mean the expected value of this suit is approximately 1.3B usd minus ~10m legal fees?
- fakedang 9mo ago
  Yes and in this case, it's not even that much an arbitrary judgement. I don't like the man but Musk has far more standing to go against Microsoft and OpenAI because the shenanigans they pulled were just that much more brazen.
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  - otterley 9mo ago
    IAAL (not legal advice) and find your comment confusing: first, because standing is a question of whether you can even have your complaint heard by a court; and second, because “brazenness” doesn’t necessarily make a case stronger.
- jondwillis 9mo ago
  Well there’s potential counter suit or court order to pay legal fees of the other party that might affect the profitability. I am not a lawyer
- nutjob2 9mo ago
  No because penalty amounts are routinely slashed to a tiny fraction of the original claim.
- refurb 9mo ago
  Expected value calculations are terrible unless applied to a situation of hundreds or thousands of outcomes. Otherwise you be stupid NOT to buy a lottery ticket each week.
  - moralestapia 9mo ago
    The expected value of a lottery ticket is lower than its nominal value, for obvious reasons. I agree with your point, though.
KellyCriterion 9mo ago
Well, the US legal system is that broken, I see him with high chances of winning, somehow? (like "we give you 50% of what you are asking for but shut up now")
exikyut 9mo ago
https://archive.is/aokho https://archive.is/aokho
tim333 9mo ago
Altman's tweet on the subject seems to present some factual difficulties for Musk https://x.com/sama/status/2012271781394989327 https://x.com/sama/status/2012271781394989327
scrubs 9mo ago
For comparison purposes, the defendants should argue the valuation is what it is because musk is not in it. Consequently at worst it's a few millions.

31 points by SanjayMehta 9mo ago

If you are confident that you can reach arbitrary judgments in about 1% of all cases, maybe via corruption, political influence or just random arbitrariness of court decisions, would this mean the expected value of this suit is approximately 1.3B usd minus ~10m legal fees?

fakedang 9mo ago
Yes and in this case, it's not even that much an arbitrary judgement. I don't like the man but Musk has far more standing to go against Microsoft and OpenAI because the shenanigans they pulled were just that much more brazen.
- deleted 9mo ago
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- otterley 9mo ago
  IAAL (not legal advice) and find your comment confusing: first, because standing is a question of whether you can even have your complaint heard by a court; and second, because “brazenness” doesn’t necessarily make a case stronger.
jondwillis 9mo ago
Well there’s potential counter suit or court order to pay legal fees of the other party that might affect the profitability. I am not a lawyer
nutjob2 9mo ago
No because penalty amounts are routinely slashed to a tiny fraction of the original claim.
refurb 9mo ago
Expected value calculations are terrible unless applied to a situation of hundreds or thousands of outcomes. Otherwise you be stupid NOT to buy a lottery ticket each week.
- moralestapia 9mo ago
  The expected value of a lottery ticket is lower than its nominal value, for obvious reasons. I agree with your point, though.

KellyCriterion 9mo ago

Well, the US legal system is that broken, I see him with high chances of winning, somehow? (like "we give you 50% of what you are asking for but shut up now")

exikyut 9mo ago

https://archive.is/aokho https://archive.is/aokho

tim333 9mo ago

Altman's tweet on the subject seems to present some factual difficulties for Musk https://x.com/sama/status/2012271781394989327 https://x.com/sama/status/2012271781394989327

scrubs 9mo ago

For comparison purposes, the defendants should argue the valuation is what it is because musk is not in it. Consequently at worst it's a few millions.