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So more financial burdens for US citisens? Poor Americans. Why did they vote for this lunatic?

by 7bit 9mo ago

lysace 9mo ago
He won because he promised to deport illegal immigrants. His voters thinks he is delivering.
- toomuchtodo 9mo ago
  It appears to be a combination of racism, “crabs in the pot” mentality, tribalism and in group motivations, and people looking for another group to look down on because they have no opportunity ahead of them between now and death. Happiness is reality minus expectations. His supporters still say “It’s not great but I’d vote for him again.” Well, the unfortunate news is he’s near end of life and they footgunned their own economic opportunity light cone. The global economy is going to route around the US accordingly, because it cannot be trusted to trade as an adult vs a bully. They will continue to have their vote and mental model regardless of rationality and logical reasoning. All you can do as a nation state counterparty is defend against military action and disconnect economically. Same vibes as "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." —- LBJ (derived from first principles)
- kccoder 9mo ago
  Some voted for him for that reason, some for other reasons d. For example, I’ve heard several women voted for him because he said he’d make ivf more available/affordable. The bigger question is why would anyone believe anything he says, especially if it was going to benefit regular people.
- tjpnz 9mo ago
  No they didn't - they voted for him because he claimed he would end the affordability crisis. The numbers are in and they're not looking good.
bediger4000 9mo ago
Trump did racist dog whistling, and the US mass media has been captured by oligarchs, so it wasn't reported honestly or completely. A surprising large portion of the US electorate is racist, and the US voting practices amplify exactly those voter's influence.
- ta9000 9mo ago
  It was a bad election cycle for incumbents worldwide. Many Americans are hurting from the cost of living and wanted a change. I know many who are definitely not racist (in interracial marriages/relationships even) who voted for Trump just on the hope for an improved economy.
  - catlover76 9mo ago
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  - mindslight 9mo ago
    That goes to the exact point about the media. Trump trashed the economy during Covid with trillions in new dollars so that that all important Line would continue to go up rather than reflect the reality of a global pandemic. The Biden administration did a decent job getting the price inflation from that under control, but rather than giving credit where credit is due, the oligarchic media continued to agitate against the incumbent who wasn't all-in on corporate rule. Cue a whole bunch of low-information voters for the New York con artist on vague "hope" for improvement, when everyone using at least half their brain knew that the policies Trump was promising would be highly destructive to our economy.
    - ta9000 9mo ago
      Do you know what they call the dumbest person at the polling place? A voter.
    - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
      Biden has his flaws but I feel like he wasn't trying to appear strong, he did what he thought was right for his country ie. give power to those who could help the nation but somehow he got projected weak because of it even if numbers were doing good Trump's doing the literal opposite. This is why Trump wants to trashtalk Biden so much
geremiiah 9mo ago
Americans wanted change so they didn't want establishment politicians. When this usually happens the far-right and far-left come into view and typically what happens is that the far-right get first dibs because they always promise the impossible so their proposals are at first glance more attractive to the electorate. In the case of this election, the Democrats didn't even allow the progressives to contest the election so there wasn't really a choice at all.
- deleted 9mo ago
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- fritzorino 9mo ago
  Oh look it's that pathetic thing that some Americans do where they blame the Democrats for Trump being in power.
  - tim333 9mo ago
    I'm not American but I really with the Dems had run a competent, middle of the road candidate.
    - deeg 9mo ago
      They did. Harris was a competent candidate and was so middle that she pissed off the left wing.
      - tim333 9mo ago
        Second most left wing in the senate https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4816859-kamala-harris-is-extremely-liberal-and-the-numbers-prove-it/ https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4816859-kamala-harris-i... The 'pissed off the left wing' thing is a bit of an issue. The Dems really need to return to representing the average american, not the extra woke. Democracy means rule of the people, not rule of the far left.
        9mo ago
bigbadfeline 9mo ago
> Why did they vote for this lunatic? The policy isn't decided by one person or one party or the two parties for that matter. Trump is just an actor going thorough the script, as much as he can make it.

So more financial burdens for US citisens? Poor Americans. Why did they vote for this lunatic?

by 7bit 9mo ago

So more financial burdens for US citisens? Poor Americans. Why did they vote for this lunatic?

lysace 9mo ago

He won because he promised to deport illegal immigrants. His voters thinks he is delivering.

toomuchtodo 9mo ago
It appears to be a combination of racism, “crabs in the pot” mentality, tribalism and in group motivations, and people looking for another group to look down on because they have no opportunity ahead of them between now and death. Happiness is reality minus expectations. His supporters still say “It’s not great but I’d vote for him again.” Well, the unfortunate news is he’s near end of life and they footgunned their own economic opportunity light cone. The global economy is going to route around the US accordingly, because it cannot be trusted to trade as an adult vs a bully. They will continue to have their vote and mental model regardless of rationality and logical reasoning. All you can do as a nation state counterparty is defend against military action and disconnect economically. Same vibes as "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." —- LBJ (derived from first principles)
kccoder 9mo ago
Some voted for him for that reason, some for other reasons d. For example, I’ve heard several women voted for him because he said he’d make ivf more available/affordable. The bigger question is why would anyone believe anything he says, especially if it was going to benefit regular people.
tjpnz 9mo ago
No they didn't - they voted for him because he claimed he would end the affordability crisis. The numbers are in and they're not looking good.

bediger4000 9mo ago

Trump did racist dog whistling, and the US mass media has been captured by oligarchs, so it wasn't reported honestly or completely. A surprising large portion of the US electorate is racist, and the US voting practices amplify exactly those voter's influence.

ta9000 9mo ago
It was a bad election cycle for incumbents worldwide. Many Americans are hurting from the cost of living and wanted a change. I know many who are definitely not racist (in interracial marriages/relationships even) who voted for Trump just on the hope for an improved economy.
- catlover76 9mo ago
  [dead]
- mindslight 9mo ago
  That goes to the exact point about the media. Trump trashed the economy during Covid with trillions in new dollars so that that all important Line would continue to go up rather than reflect the reality of a global pandemic. The Biden administration did a decent job getting the price inflation from that under control, but rather than giving credit where credit is due, the oligarchic media continued to agitate against the incumbent who wasn't all-in on corporate rule. Cue a whole bunch of low-information voters for the New York con artist on vague "hope" for improvement, when everyone using at least half their brain knew that the policies Trump was promising would be highly destructive to our economy.
  - ta9000 9mo ago
    Do you know what they call the dumbest person at the polling place? A voter.
  - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
    Biden has his flaws but I feel like he wasn't trying to appear strong, he did what he thought was right for his country ie. give power to those who could help the nation but somehow he got projected weak because of it even if numbers were doing good Trump's doing the literal opposite. This is why Trump wants to trashtalk Biden so much

geremiiah 9mo ago

Americans wanted change so they didn't want establishment politicians. When this usually happens the far-right and far-left come into view and typically what happens is that the far-right get first dibs because they always promise the impossible so their proposals are at first glance more attractive to the electorate. In the case of this election, the Democrats didn't even allow the progressives to contest the election so there wasn't really a choice at all.

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fritzorino 9mo ago
Oh look it's that pathetic thing that some Americans do where they blame the Democrats for Trump being in power.
- tim333 9mo ago
  I'm not American but I really with the Dems had run a competent, middle of the road candidate.
  - deeg 9mo ago
    They did. Harris was a competent candidate and was so middle that she pissed off the left wing.
    - tim333 9mo ago
      Second most left wing in the senate https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4816859-kamala-harris-is-extremely-liberal-and-the-numbers-prove-it/ https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4816859-kamala-harris-i... The 'pissed off the left wing' thing is a bit of an issue. The Dems really need to return to representing the average american, not the extra woke. Democracy means rule of the people, not rule of the far left.
      - 9mo ago

bigbadfeline 9mo ago

> Why did they vote for this lunatic? The policy isn't decided by one person or one party or the two parties for that matter. Trump is just an actor going thorough the script, as much as he can make it.