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Trump to impose tariffs on European nations over Greenland
- lysace 9mo agoDenmark, Germany, Norway, Sweden, France, the UK, the Netherlands and Finland to face a 10% tariff beginning February 1. Trump said tariffs will be in place until "a deal is reached" on Greenland. [...] Trump added that if no resolution is reached until June 1 this year, the tariffs will jump to 25%. These are most of the countries that sent military forces to Greenland during the past two days for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Arctic_Endurance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Arctic_Endurance. The US was also invited.
- jleyank 9mo agoWillful misunderstanding of NATO. The US is committed to defend Greenland as it is now or if it’s theirs. So, I guess, they’ve left NATO just didn’t leave a forwarding address. Time to tell the bully to do quaint anatomical actions with mobile baked goods.
- madspindel 9mo agoAs I Swede, I must say this list of countries are the countries I love the most in Europe (well, I like the weather in Spain and Italy, but I mean politically). I would like our countries to integrate more, maybe with a common army. In the Nordics we already have begun to integrate our Air Forces to a common Nordic Air Force. Why not extend that to UK, France, Netherlands and Germany? These countries together could form a quite powerful army, air force etc. that could safeguard Europe against external threats.
- pseudony 9mo agoSame, though, as a Dane, I must express preference for Norway, Sweden and Finland (and Iceland), obviously :) I hope his antics do nothing except push us closer together.
- lysace 9mo agoAt the same time we need to realize that the US actions are clearly meant to tear the EU apart. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Arctic_Endurance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Arctic_Endurance The Italian Defense Minister Guido Crosetto found the operation superfluous and ridiculous, calling it a joke, and urged that it be carried out under NATO coordination. It's just that I also want that split (north vs south, sort of). The EU of today is dysfunctional, largely because of this immense cultural split. Now I want to delay this split though. At the moment we need EU unity.
- pseudony 9mo agoOh absolutely, I adore most every country of the EU, maybe except Hungary and recently... Slovakia. But in principle, I think the EU, some voting forms, and a federal army is necessary if we desire any degree of self-determination.
- bigbadfeline 9mo ago> At the same time we need to realize that the US actions are clearly meant to tear the EU apart. Generally true with one small but very important correction - the US actions are clearly meant to bait the EU into breaking itself apart. > It's just that I also want that split (north vs south, sort of). You've been had. Trump is smarter than you, you've bitten his bait and you're hanging on his hook... and you were doing so well initially. > The EU of today is dysfunctional, largely because of this immense cultural split. There's no cultural split, there are only politicians on varying levels of corruption and the leading EU countries are in the center of it all. That's the problem that needs addressing.
- lysace 9mo agoI wanted to do this before Trump first won in 2016.
- bigbadfeline 9mo agoTrump didn't invent this game, it's quite old actually, he's just its latest salesman.
- UncleEntity 9mo agoMaybe something like a constitutional republic of independent states? The only way to ensure one political party doesn't seize full and complete control over the entire thing and bend its will to exclusively their goals.
- fifilura 9mo agoYeah maybe some system with checks and balances.
- geremiiah 9mo agoA two-tier Europe would deepen the divide that already exists.
- tailspin2019 9mo agoAs a Brit, I agree!
- askonomm 9mo agoWell there is NB8 and JEF, of which I (Estonia) are also part of.
- shlip 9mo agoDidn't they already have tariffs ? Also, why should we care, what do the US have that's made domestically ?
- lysace 9mo agoWe do. This would presumably be added on top of the existing ones. The only communication so far comes from a Trump Truthsocial post with its typical lack of clarity. Lots of bed ads though. Funny, we are are beginning to think the same, why do we need you? (The truth, of course is that everyone wins when trade is open/free.)
- 7bit 9mo agoSo more financial burdens for US citisens? Poor Americans. Why did they vote for this lunatic?
- lysace 9mo agoHe won because he promised to deport illegal immigrants. His voters thinks he is delivering.
- toomuchtodo 9mo agoIt appears to be a combination of racism, “crabs in the pot” mentality, tribalism and in group motivations, and people looking for another group to look down on because they have no opportunity ahead of them between now and death. Happiness is reality minus expectations. His supporters still say “It’s not great but I’d vote for him again.” Well, the unfortunate news is he’s near end of life and they footgunned their own economic opportunity light cone. The global economy is going to route around the US accordingly, because it cannot be trusted to trade as an adult vs a bully. They will continue to have their vote and mental model regardless of rationality and logical reasoning. All you can do as a nation state counterparty is defend against military action and disconnect economically. Same vibes as "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." —- LBJ (derived from first principles)
- kccoder 9mo agoSome voted for him for that reason, some for other reasons d. For example, I’ve heard several women voted for him because he said he’d make ivf more available/affordable. The bigger question is why would anyone believe anything he says, especially if it was going to benefit regular people.
- tjpnz 9mo agoNo they didn't - they voted for him because he claimed he would end the affordability crisis. The numbers are in and they're not looking good.
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- beardyw 9mo agoThese tariffs must be becoming self defeating. If they get imposed on a whim what is the point of avoiding them, only to be told you need to jump higher next time. Surely the answer must be to trade with anyone else and write off the USA.
- lysace 9mo agoIt's inevitable that an "almost-anyone-but-the-US" free-ish trading coalition of countries will appear. The EU will air drop their tried, tested and scaled up trade negotiation teams worldwide during the upcoming weeks. US spelling bee kids will be great at spelling P-A-R-I-A-H though.
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- mynti 9mo agoYou cannot negotiate with a bully. The EU should have never backed down so easily before. I hope someone will soon find some balls and not let the US walk all over everyone
- blibble 9mo agoif they back down on this one then orange-adolf will go after canada
- istanbulbebesi 9mo agoEU politicians like Merz and von der Leyen are pushovers.
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- bigbadfeline 9mo ago> You cannot negotiate with a bully. You can and you should, in order to make your case known, it's simple politics. Huffing and puffing while drowning in moral indignation isn't much different from the other side's approach. And don't jump the gun just because of some silly post somewhere on silly soc media. I have never seen an official EU statement about US-EU-NATO relations that actually makes sense. What I see is kicking the ball back and forth moving in the same general direction.
- soegaard 9mo agoNato - Article 2 The Parties will contribute toward the further development of peaceful and friendly international relations by strengthening their free institutions, by bringing about a better understanding of the principles upon which these institutions are founded, and by promoting conditions of stability and well-being. They will seek to eliminate conflict in their international economic policies and will encourage economic collaboration between any or all of them.
- blibble 9mo agothink this is a pretty obvious demonstration that the 1776 republic is no longer fit for purpose why is the congress allowing this to continue? in any parliamentary democracy this cretin would have been gone by now
- hilbert42 9mo ago"in any parliamentary democracy this cretin would have been gone by now" Right. The West's not seen anything like this since the Reich's march into the Sudetenland. One can only hope Europe has enough gumption to confront the bully long enough for US citizens to awake and correct the situation. The last thing we need now is gutless Appeasement from European states à la Chamberlain.
- plazzer 9mo agoThis is on point - I think everybody was careful not to escalate because the common consensus seems to be that things are getting just too crazy and he can't stay in power for long. The real danger might still be within the US itself - what happens if he loses and doesn't want to accept it. Civil war?
- mdhb 9mo agoHe absolutely is not going to accept it. He wants to die a free man and that plan runs into serious problems very quickly if he loses.
- pfannkuchen 9mo agoI don’t understand where Denmark’s claim to Greenland comes from in the first place. Can someone who is unhappy about this fill me in on why Denmark should have it?
- fifilura 9mo agoWhy should USA have Hawaii or California? You can read up on it yourself.
- pfannkuchen 9mo agoWell personally I don’t think the USA has a strong claim to Hawaii. It’s basically a strategic military outpost that got retconned into being a state after the war. It’s kind of weird, like sure Wikipedia articles exist but it’s not as if people who have some position are basing their position entirely on the Wikipedia article and I can infer the structure of their position from the Wikipedia article. So I’m asking about what people think, and all I hear back is “reeeeeee”.
- fifilura 9mo agoIt caused reactions because it was the wrong thing to ask in this thread. "Woman raped" - Tell me again why did she like mini skirts? "American citizen kille by ICE' - Tell me again why did he look like he came from Nicaragua? By themselves the may have been somewhat ok, but in this context, asking these questions give them a whole different meaning.
- T-A 9mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_the_Danish_West_Indies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_the_Danish_West_Indi...
- Sabinus 9mo agoThe Danes should ask Trump if they get the Virgin Islands back if Trump renegs on the Treaty.
- 47282847 9mo agoUseful for context (individual submission was flagged): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_hybrid_warfare_against_Greenland_during_the_second_Trump_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_hybrid_warfare_agains...
- mixologist 9mo agoIt seems he is really desperate for media to avoid Epstein discussion.
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- 0xCE0 9mo agoI feel this is a major turning point for how entities can/will behave from now on towards Trump's wants/decisions. Now it is publicly proved, that you cannot trust deals made with Trump, because they can be just invalidated at a moment's notice. Only bad deals to be made, so why would any reasoned entity agree to those. World will not take threats seriously any more, and will defend themselves. Maybe missions in Venezuela, Iran etc. was accomplished so easily, that it blurred the judgment of what could be done. But those countries are different than a conglomerate of 450 M people / 27 countries. And now military and economic thinking/domains/threats were also mixed. "Weak EU leaders" can and are now forced to unite as one strong resistance.
- mongol 9mo agoYeah, I see it as a kind of "jumping the shark" moment. There is simply no way to compromise with a neighbors territorial sovereignty to avoid tariffs. It is not going to happen. We may as well regard the US as a black hole that we no longer trade with.
- ChrisArchitect 9mo agoMore discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46659651 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46659651
- Imustaskforhelp 9mo agoMy biggest grievances with the current way is that China's gonna get more powerful because of it. As an Indian, I don't like it I hope that Europe realizes that the problem isn't america (although it kinda is as well), its the fault where if one party relies on another party and they go rogue. (I do feel as if America might have gone rogue) China's Authoritarian too about tiannmen shows that it can go rogue as well. My point is a new geopolitical order of net neutrality should be taken place all over the world. I am saying this because I have read both Indian and American history and geopolitics and Something like this happened with India during its time to create a nuke (which now feels like being the biggest factor for security) The point of the nukes aren't to do agression but rather to protect one in cases where its sovereignity is being undermined by oppression. I can go on about this for hours but we have this saying from the people who remember the past grievances (its usually the older people more geopolitically well versed but some of those are being passed down to newer generations) "to be an enemy of US can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal." We are probably gonna shift to a new world order now that America's trust is eroded effectively impacting its finance sector the most imo. Companies are simply gonna pull all the money and bonds out of America that being said, once again I wish to point out that the solution isn't to rely on any other country just as Europe or the world did on America. its simply to be in a multi polar world where relationships and treaties are between countries and the reliance on a single country is tried to be minimal We will probably see EU cozy up more to India (recently got a trade deal which does hurt India more than not) but India's willing to sacrifice some parts of this because India also wants to not be reliant on America. I have been both pro America and skeptical of it but never in a million years I expected something like this. I just feel sympathy for American businesses because some people voted because some of these people and businesses are genuinely good and they are gonna have a hard time in the future. My sympathy to both American families (if they get impacted by what might come in the future because of things like this) & the European nations effectively being bullied by America. I feel like a lot of Europeans might feel the same way right now where we aren't American businesses or families but what America as a country is doing itself & its becoming a matter not of nationalism but of national sovereignity. American geopolitics have been super depressing recently that I had to avoid most talks about geopolitics after tariffs but there are so many points where one is almost forced to speak because of the insanity behind thngs and thats been so frequently basically being every news nowadays. Is there seriously any more further escalation which can take place except from a full scale war? Perhaps raising more tarrifs I suppose from 10% and I am pretty sure if things dont go out that way we might see this too & this violates NATO's article 2 as well so I don't know what's left aside from a full scale escalation of war.