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Now that GNOME wants to abandon it.

by steve1977 10mo ago

spookie 10mo ago
GNOME devs really are special. I wonder why.
- shevy-java 10mo ago
  It is not just GNOME devs. Try to interact with systemd-poettering or I-pwn-glibc-Drepper. For some reason the Red Hat centric guys are troublemakers. More recently KDE devs also became troublemakers - first David "all must use systemd", then nate "I-can-ask-for-donations-at-will-by-placing-a-trojan-daemon-onto-people-whose-sole-job-is-to-ask-for-donations" (more about this guy here: https://jriddell.org/2025/09/14/adios-chicos-25-years-of-kde/ https://jriddell.org/2025/09/14/adios-chicos-25-years-of-kde...) and of course the "there are no xorg-server users left on KDE, so all must use wayland". Developers became a LOT more like dictators in the last 10 years specifically. This was a change indeed. I am not sure what happened, but things changed. GTK is now also a pure GNOMEY dev-kit. Good luck trying to convince the GTK devs of anything that used to be possible in gtk2 or gtk3 - it is now GNOME only.
  - RicoElectrico 10mo ago
    I'm pretty scared what userland piece of software will be re-written while ditching backwards compatibility and making the current body of support knowledge worthless. After all, we've replaced the display server (sort of), audio, init and service management, network commands (netplan) if not much more. My bet would be on a rewrite of CUPS in Rust. Oh, your printer that worked for 20 years is now a useless brick? What a shame, at least now the printing subsystem is secure and blazing fast.
    - shakna 10mo ago
      Well, as Apple has basically abandoned CUPS, and not everyone uses the OpenPrinting fork, things in that space are getting "fun".
    - steve1977 10mo ago
      Not even Rust zealots want to touch printing ;)
    - networkadmin 10mo ago
      > My bet would be on a rewrite of CUPS in Rust. Please, don't give them any ideas.
    - eagle2com 9mo ago
      Please, printers have never worked, it's a side effect when they do.
  - kombine 10mo ago
    https://pointieststick.com/2025/03/10/personal-and-professional-updates-announcing-techpaladin-software/ https://pointieststick.com/2025/03/10/personal-and-professio... for the sake of completeness here's Nate Graham version of events.
Andrex 10mo ago
*turn it from default-on to default-off
- Gabrys1 10mo ago
  defaults matter a lot!
  - hdgvhicv 10mo ago
    Developers change defaults all the time and make things far worse. Vim 9.0 default changes required a 6 line vimrc to undo the damage.
    - tremon 10mo ago
      Yes, that's the primary reason that made me switch to neovim instead.
- shevy-java 10mo ago
  It's still a change. GNOME dictates onto users what the developers think the users should use or have. I find that not acceptable.
  - squigz 10mo ago
    This can be said about literally any software? And as GP points out, it's not "dictating what you can use or have" - you can turn it back on.
  - kstenerud 10mo ago
    I once watched a co-worker completely bork a customer system by accidentally middle-clicking while moving his mouse after copying an ls -l of /usr/bin (where pretty much everything was a symlink to the real executables in /bin). Yeah, he shouldn't have been logged in as root, but the point remains that middle-mouse paste can be extremely dangerous and fat-finger-prone.

Now that GNOME wants to abandon it.

spookie 10mo ago

GNOME devs really are special. I wonder why.

shevy-java 10mo ago
It is not just GNOME devs. Try to interact with systemd-poettering or I-pwn-glibc-Drepper. For some reason the Red Hat centric guys are troublemakers. More recently KDE devs also became troublemakers - first David "all must use systemd", then nate "I-can-ask-for-donations-at-will-by-placing-a-trojan-daemon-onto-people-whose-sole-job-is-to-ask-for-donations" (more about this guy here: https://jriddell.org/2025/09/14/adios-chicos-25-years-of-kde/ https://jriddell.org/2025/09/14/adios-chicos-25-years-of-kde...) and of course the "there are no xorg-server users left on KDE, so all must use wayland". Developers became a LOT more like dictators in the last 10 years specifically. This was a change indeed. I am not sure what happened, but things changed. GTK is now also a pure GNOMEY dev-kit. Good luck trying to convince the GTK devs of anything that used to be possible in gtk2 or gtk3 - it is now GNOME only.
- RicoElectrico 10mo ago
  I'm pretty scared what userland piece of software will be re-written while ditching backwards compatibility and making the current body of support knowledge worthless. After all, we've replaced the display server (sort of), audio, init and service management, network commands (netplan) if not much more. My bet would be on a rewrite of CUPS in Rust. Oh, your printer that worked for 20 years is now a useless brick? What a shame, at least now the printing subsystem is secure and blazing fast.
  - shakna 10mo ago
    Well, as Apple has basically abandoned CUPS, and not everyone uses the OpenPrinting fork, things in that space are getting "fun".
  - steve1977 10mo ago
    Not even Rust zealots want to touch printing ;)
  - networkadmin 10mo ago
    > My bet would be on a rewrite of CUPS in Rust. Please, don't give them any ideas.
  - eagle2com 9mo ago
    Please, printers have never worked, it's a side effect when they do.
- kombine 10mo ago
  https://pointieststick.com/2025/03/10/personal-and-professional-updates-announcing-techpaladin-software/ https://pointieststick.com/2025/03/10/personal-and-professio... for the sake of completeness here's Nate Graham version of events.

Andrex 10mo ago

*turn it from default-on to default-off

Gabrys1 10mo ago
defaults matter a lot!
- hdgvhicv 10mo ago
  Developers change defaults all the time and make things far worse. Vim 9.0 default changes required a 6 line vimrc to undo the damage.
  - tremon 10mo ago
    Yes, that's the primary reason that made me switch to neovim instead.
shevy-java 10mo ago
It's still a change. GNOME dictates onto users what the developers think the users should use or have. I find that not acceptable.
- squigz 10mo ago
  This can be said about literally any software? And as GP points out, it's not "dictating what you can use or have" - you can turn it back on.
- kstenerud 10mo ago
  I once watched a co-worker completely bork a customer system by accidentally middle-clicking while moving his mouse after copying an ls -l of /usr/bin (where pretty much everything was a symlink to the real executables in /bin). Yeah, he shouldn't have been logged in as root, but the point remains that middle-mouse paste can be extremely dangerous and fat-finger-prone.