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What life is like in Minneapolis now
- b3ing 9mo agoUnfortunately no one will care because it’s not their city, they are told to wait until midterms, the media is failing to report or cover much of what is going on and half the country thinks it’s ok because their party is behind it
- vdupras 9mo agoI'm curious what gives you the impression that no one cares. Anyone non-white in the US, regardless of their immigration and citizenship status, can expect to be harassed in the near future, so I'm guessing they care. Maybe they're afraid enough to be silenced, but that doesn't mean they don't care. Someone looking at HN front page could falsely get the impression that no one cares, but that's only because all ICE-related subjects are actively and relentlessly flagged. We never see them. You can have an idea of how much some of the HN crowd cares by visiting https://news.ycombinator.com/active https://news.ycombinator.com/active more often.
- anal_reactor 9mo ago> Anyone non-white in the US This framing is exactly what led to the election of Trump in the first place. You're asking for empathy from people who already have too much shit of their own. You'll be much more successful if you manage to explain why current actions of ICE are bad for everyone, not only Latinos.
- fernandopj 9mo agoThis is not what OP said, at all. OP doesn't have to explain anything, or be "successful" explaining to you what the world is watching unfold in horror. It is factually and correctly stated that any non-white, non-100%-perfectly-English-speaking person is a suspect in ICE views, detainable with no recourse. They said it themselves, the administration said that themselves, and there's ample evidence online of them enjoying doing it. It is why people like me, who have legal status and business to conduct in USA are not gonna risk detention and deportation while ICE/DHS is operating. I'm Italian, my name is of Spanish origin, and I lived most of my life in Brazil so my accent is Brazilian. I have zero odds of convincing and ICE agent my passport isn't fake. So, I'm out of going to Vegas, or doing talks, or anything else I have enjoyed doing in the USA in the past.
- anal_reactor 9mo ago> It is factually and correctly stated Being factually correct isn't always winning. Envoking correct emotions often is.
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- drcongo 9mo agoThere's some inception levels of irony in this (op) being posted on a platform that has a history of supporting white supremacist groups, which kinda suggests that even those who do care, can't actually be bothered to not be part of the problem.
- tim-tday 9mo agoPretty sure people care. A lot. My friend texted me. He’s white privileged, not often sympathetic or inclusive. He’s absolutely irate about what’s happening in Minnesota.
- megabless123 9mo ago"Abolish ICE" must be the moderate compromise position
- gyomu 9mo agoI fully expect this article to drop off the front page due to flagging in 3…2…1… like every other US politics story that gets posted on this site. It’s for sure one of the biggest blind spots of this community, which should come as no surprise but is still a shame as it would be nice to have the high level of discourse we can expect from other topics applied to this period that could easily be, for many of us, the most significant geopolitical event of our lifetimes. I’m curious if that’s a topic the mods have any thoughts on.
- OutOfHere 9mo agoIt used to be that tech workers were utopian, but now a good half of them, including on this site, are plain fascists. This site is not a utopian dream. ICE is an extremely unprofessional agency and has no business existing at all in its current form. Abductions of citizens by ICE is real, is well documented across many incidents on many news sites, and it crosses a line.
- asciii 9mo agoIt’s bit ironic that big tech invests so much in politics and engineers act like it’s beneath them. All technological progress tends to be political with its policy winds
- burnt-resistor 9mo ago"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair
- fzeroracer 9mo agoThe silence from tech companies says a million. There's a ton of huge companies and tech leaders with offices and businesses in Minneapolis and not one of them has had the spine to say anything about the occupation of their city or the people that have been unable to show up for work. I think increasingly tech workers are starting to understand the size of the issue. You can see the sentiment shifting in previous threads here and even when stories like this are flagged, they still float to the top of /active. That said, it's also obvious that there's a certain group of folks that immediately flag these stories the moment they pop up.
- desman 9mo agoAs a non-American, I wonder how effective these measures are. Way too often I hear that "ICE abducted ... an American citizen". Are these individual cases amplified by the media to attack federal government's reputation or are these a significant percentage of all arrests? In which case, why is ICE doing it, they have absolutely no way of turning such arrests into a positive for themselves? How easy is it for an American or a legal alien to produce documentation proving their legal status - can it be that the fact(?) that many legal residents don't possess the necessary documentation at all times leads to the majority of such arrests/detentions/"abductions". I know that many here will question ICE's mandate to act even against immigrants who don't have their paperwork in order, but this is another question.
- philk10 9mo agoIt's rebounding on them, support for ICE is now negative They're going after the weak and easy targets and dont care about citizenship as Miller has set them daily targets
- NhanH 9mo agoThis is just the standard precision/ recall tradeoff with recall being prioritised at the extreme (which is usually the wrong way to go for legal field). A standard situation of 1% positive rate and even if your diagnosis method having 90% accuracy (for both sensitivity and specificity), more than 90% of the positive detection would be false positive.
- 2muchcoffeeman 9mo agoWhy would any of this be effective? They drastically reduced the duration of training ICE agents and drastically increased numbers. You should assume they are all incompetent.
- pandaman 9mo agoNet migration to the US is negative for the first time in 50 years [1] so seems way more effective than whatever was done before. As for arresting citizens - federal agents arrest ~100K people per year[2], if the often cited in these threads research to be believed then most of them are citizens as illegal migrants don't do nearly as much crime. Being a citizen does not make one immune to the federal law enforcement, even the Department of Education has armed agents, which arrest citizens, even if they don't go to school [3]. 1. https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-1st-time-50-years-experienced-negative-net/story?id=129175522 https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-1st-time-50-years-experienced-n... 2. https://bjs.ojp.gov/document/fjs23.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/document/fjs23.pdf 3. https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/beware-the-us-education-department-swat-team https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/beware...
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- carb 9mo agoI disagree. Notable and impacting politics are often here and foster interesting discussions. Everything is political, and nowadays everything has relation to tech. ICE is being supported by Palantir and many defense tech companies and that technology impacts and perfects the terror and abuse by ICE in Minneapolis. It's important for us to talk about this, especially when it is uncomfortable.
- b3ing 9mo agoWhere else do we go? Reddit? The r/democrats is sold out to the corporate side. I’ve only found /democraticparty /marchagainstnazis /nokingsmovement /progressivehq and /NoKingsCoalition to be decent. But it’s more about reporting not action
- friendly_deer 9mo agoI know this might be hard for some people to hear, but I want to share my thoughts to promote, in a small way, a common understanding of different perspectives. My genuine trouble with this kind of post is that I don’t know if it is true. How do I know the guy isn’t trying to get donations for local groups? Is that an odd question to ask after the dominant lens through which we analyze action is “cui bono?” How do I know that this didn’t come from some Russian intel group? Is that an odd question to ask after Russian interference is all over the media during our elections? It’s the problem of our society today: we don’t share a common view of reality.
- granby 9mo agoHi. I am the person who wrote the piece. I am not a bot, not Russian intel. YES I want money to go to organizations serving terrified, vulnerable people who are being hunted like dogs primarily because they LOOK like immigrants or other "undesirables." People need help in MPLS, right now. Be skeptical of what you hear online ... definitely. But there is a limit. At some point you must accept that there is a major crisis, that people are in acute need, and that not helping is complicity.
- nkurz 9mo agoThanks for writing it, and thanks for stopping by. Perhaps I'm naive, but I wasn't worried at all that the article might be a Russian fake. Instead, my worry is that it felt like propaganda. Genuine heartfelt propaganda, probably from someone on the ground in Minneapolis, but throughout the piece I felt that you were likely leaving out information so as to create a more compelling call to action. I don't know for sure that this is true, but I feel like this is a big hurdle that you'll have to overcome if you want to convince skeptical people like me who actually do care. Saying "I will not provide names, sources, etc." might feel necessary, but it makes it harder to convince people. I'm left feeling that there is definitely more to the story than you are telling. Starting with your first example, "two teachers parked in front of the school were violently extracted from their cars and abducted by ICE officers". I'm not certain, but I'd probably be willing to bet this isn't the full story. Were they "parked in front" because they were at their jobs teaching, or were they attempting to prevent the ICE officers from doing something? Were they participating in a protest or just passing by? I don't know--and it doesn't mean that what happened is right or proper--but I don't trust you to tell me if you think it might hurt the case you are trying to make. The result is that I feel like I need to at least partially discount the rest of what you have to say. How do we get beyond this?
- gcanyon 9mo agoTrump is forcing this to be a Game of Thrones "you win or you die" situation: there is no way out of this with a 60:40 solution, the only possible outcome is complete victory for one side, utter defeat for the other.
- TrackerFF 9mo agoMy prediction is that the federal policing will ramp up considerably in blue states, which in turn will cause more clashes. Sooner or later POTUS will invoke insurrection act. In any case, either he'll try to cancel midterm elections altogether, or he'll have ICE and National Guard roaming and harassing voters when that time comes around. Strategically in very blue or purple areas. If that works for the midterms, no doubt we'll see more of the same for the presidential election.
- OutOfHere 9mo agoIn its entire history, the US has never skipped a national election, not even during any major war. As such, canceling or delaying an election would be the ultimate red flag, answerable only by community-level violence against the oppressors at a national scale. We have known for a while that mere protests don't work at all in this country, and can even be counterproductive.
- DirkH 9mo agoWe've crossed multiple "ultimate red flags". Won't be surprising if it happens.
- TrajansRow 9mo agoMy experience is quite a bit different than what the author is citing. I live just outside of Minneapolis, and have a bunch of friends who live in the city. I have never heard anyone express concern about what ICE is doing. The biggest worries are around commute disruptions due to protesters. It might be because this is a self-selected circle of white collar types, but I can say the report in this story is not universal.
- piva00 9mo agoKinda self-obvious, practically nothing at population-sized samples is universal.
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- reset0684 9mo agoAs someone who lives in St Paul, I'll say the blog post sounds like my experience here. As someone with a white collar software job, the description of people fearing for their children at school or not leaving their house is playing out at my workplace.
- QuantumGood 9mo agoCover of today's StarTribune (Greenland article at bottom), from the top down: • Our community is in crisis • Rumors, anxiety spread beyond the Twin Cities • Citizens sue, seek ruling to rein in agents' tactics • DHS' Minnesota presence dwarfs largest metro police forces • Review: No widespread illegal voting by migrants • Trump cheers protesters in Iran, but not Minnesota "I have never heard anyone express concern about what ICE is doing." "heard" and "express concern" commonly do a lot of heavy lifting in anecdata: • Include or exclude social media comments from friends? • Only include people who have spoken to you directly? • Speak often or infrequently to others? • Include or exclude content that you have seen that you trust? • Are part of a large/small circle of family/friends? • Concern or only experience causing concern? • General opinion or on specific available information? • etc., etc. Without being more specific, "heard" and "express concern" don't mean much, and with specific qualification, are easily manipulated. I also live just outside of Minneapolis. I have white-appearance family members whose heritage traces literally back to the Mayflower that have been harrassed while working from home, and literally dozens of others expressing concern due to those in their circle being harassed, and many others expressing concern due to viewing media that they trust. In thinking just now, it's hard to think of anyone not expressing concern, on "both sides", partly because I am hearing expressions on the topic from a tremendous number of persons.