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> Microsoft says that entering the command "shutdown /s /t 0" at the command prompt will, in fact, force your PC to turn off, whether it wants to or not. Wow h
by einsteinx2 9mo ago
> Microsoft says that entering the command "shutdown /s /t 0" at the command prompt will, in fact, force your PC to turn off, whether it wants to or not.
Wow how the tables have turned…the argument used to be you used Windows instead of Linux because on Linux you might occasionally have to use the scary terminal to fix an issue haha.
- terminalbraid 9mo agoMicrosoft has been issuing fixes like this with alarmingly increasing frequency.
- 0x000xca0xfe 9mo agoIt's part of their secret strategy to turn oldschool Windows dinosaurs into enthusiastic Linux power users. Next they'll introduce middle click pasting.
- esafak 9mo agoPC mice haven't had three buttons for decades!
- j1elo 9mo agoThird button has been "hidden" below the mouse wheel for well more than those 10 years, just press the wheel down and you'll hear a mouse button click.
- olyjohn 9mo agoIronically, Microsoft pioneered the scroll wheel.
- ffsm8 9mo agoYou'll be surprised to know that there are still some mice that don't support that. Admittedly, I've only had that happen once in the last 15 yrs in a budget "gamer" mouse I instantly returned and replaced with a Logitech g903 at the time (though I've switched mice twice since, and both supported it)
- wafflemaker 9mo agoAnd most Linuxes have option for dual click (right and left mouse button) to simulate middle mouse button. Useful, as the wheel button is usually first to die in cheap mice. Not useful, because it made it impossible to play Death Stranding on Linux :(
- tremon 9mo agoRemember Xerox PARC, the people that developed the first computer GUI? https://archive.is/sKLL https://archive.is/sKLL > The three button Alto mouse enabled the first bitmapped and overlapping windows display, known as a graphical user interface (GUI). The Alto dates to March of 1973
- bigstrat2003 9mo agoMy dude, my mouse has 5 buttons. No idea what you're talking about here.
- esafak 9mo agoI'm down to one. Less is more.
- SturgeonsLaw 9mo agoIs that one of those innovative designs with the charging port on the bottom of the mouse? Sometimes more is more.
- esafak 9mo agoIt sounds dumb but the battery lasts long and charges quickly, so I think they made the right decision.
- steve1977 9mo agoNow that GNOME wants to abandon it.
- spookie 9mo agoGNOME devs really are special. I wonder why.
- shevy-java 9mo agoIt is not just GNOME devs. Try to interact with systemd-poettering or I-pwn-glibc-Drepper. For some reason the Red Hat centric guys are troublemakers. More recently KDE devs also became troublemakers - first David "all must use systemd", then nate "I-can-ask-for-donations-at-will-by-placing-a-trojan-daemon-onto-people-whose-sole-job-is-to-ask-for-donations" (more about this guy here: https://jriddell.org/2025/09/14/adios-chicos-25-years-of-kde/ https://jriddell.org/2025/09/14/adios-chicos-25-years-of-kde...) and of course the "there are no xorg-server users left on KDE, so all must use wayland". Developers became a LOT more like dictators in the last 10 years specifically. This was a change indeed. I am not sure what happened, but things changed. GTK is now also a pure GNOMEY dev-kit. Good luck trying to convince the GTK devs of anything that used to be possible in gtk2 or gtk3 - it is now GNOME only.
- RicoElectrico 9mo agoI'm pretty scared what userland piece of software will be re-written while ditching backwards compatibility and making the current body of support knowledge worthless. After all, we've replaced the display server (sort of), audio, init and service management, network commands (netplan) if not much more. My bet would be on a rewrite of CUPS in Rust. Oh, your printer that worked for 20 years is now a useless brick? What a shame, at least now the printing subsystem is secure and blazing fast.
- shakna 9mo agoWell, as Apple has basically abandoned CUPS, and not everyone uses the OpenPrinting fork, things in that space are getting "fun".
- leptons 9mo agoThey already did that by forcing "AI" into the OS.
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- sandworm101 9mo agoBecause all of Microsoft's people secretly use linux on thier machines. (No joke. This is a thing. It means when something goes catastrophically wrong with windows, the people in position to fix the problem will still be able to function.)
- steve1977 9mo agoYeah, sure this is a thing. All of Microsoft's people secretly use Linux...
- cyanydeez 9mo agoThat and forced LLM adoption means they solve problems in text.
- Bender 9mo agoI can't really add to that one but I do know that many at Cisco turn old Cisco gear into Linux workstations.
- bigfatkitten 9mo agoIOS-XE runs Linux underneath.
- potatowaffle 9mo agoWhen one of the senior executives from Bing Search visited my university for a talk, they personally told the director of the computer science department that they envied the fact that the director could use a 27-inch iMac at work, whereas they could only use one at home.
- sandworm101 9mo agoThe head of bing search is not ever going to be in position to issue an emergency patch for windows. They are far more likely to cause such a situation than resolve one.
- matltc 9mo ago
- itopaloglu83 9mo agoThey’re at the last step of their enshittification process, where the focus is to extract money from everyone, not to ship a good product or fix things.
- wang_li 9mo agoCI/CD baby! Deliver early, deliver often, fix it later.
- loloquwowndueo 9mo agoYou can always just pull the power cord too, or long-press the power button on a laptop.
- assaddayinh 9mo ago[dead]
- dylan604 9mo agoDon't PSUs have a physical rocker switch for on/off?
- seabrookmx 9mo agoMost but not all.
- SoftTalker 9mo agoPulling the power cord on a laptop won't shut it down, it will just start using the battery. Some desktop PCs have a physical power switch on the power supply, usually next to where the power cord plugs in. But it is becoming more rare. Every $0.50 they can save in costs is added to the bottom line.
- lousken 9mo agoNever ever seen a power supply without a switch in my entire life and looking at eshops here in europe i cant find it either. Even the $30 have that Also try pressing power button for 5-10 seconds on a laptop instead
- SoftTalker 9mo agoMaybe EU requires it? Most (all?) newer Dell desktops here have only the "soft" pushbutton power switch on the front of the case. Of course you can just pull out the power cord itself.
- opan 9mo ago>the argument used to be you used Windows instead of Linux because on Linux you might occasionally have to use the scary terminal to fix an issue This always annoys me because you're really handicapping yourself by ignoring the CLI on any OS. Sure I use it more heavily on GNU/Linux than I did on Windows as a kid, but that's because it's so good. If I'm ever in front of a Windows machine now I still like to have a terminal handy (and it's even better/more-familiar on macOS, of course), and I've learned things like "type is like cat", "robocopy is like rsync", "tasklist is kinda like ps and taskkill like kill/pkill" which help me to do things better on Windows than when I used it fulltime. I'm glad Microsoft invested more in the CLI with Windows Terminal, OpenSSH in the default install, winget, PowerShell, etc. I think it's better for everyone. I fear the CLI hate is spreading anti-intellectualism. Some people seem annoyed when they even have to use their keyboard instead of their mouse for something.
- ndsipa_pomu 9mo agoGUIs are great for when you're new to a bit of software as you can see the various options and get a feel for the possibilities. CLIs are nearly always more flexible once you've read the man page, but is a steeper learning path. Automation/scripting is when CLIs really come into their own as otherwise you end up becoming a GUI click monkey. The best is when there's both a GUI and CLI (as long as they work the same way).
- graemep 9mo agoI wonder how good CLIs could have been if a fraction of the resources that have gone into GUIs had gone into making CLIs more user friendly. A sequence of words is a pretty natural way of conveying what you want done.
- kingstnap 9mo agoThe problem with CLI isn't typing, its discoverability. Keep in mind conveying what you want done requires knowing what can be done first.
- pmontra 9mo agoI understand the sarcasm but copy pasting a bash or powershell command is faster and less error prone than following the instructions to open menus, dialogs, tabs and clicking buttons, especially in deeply nested UIs.
- einsteinx2 9mo agoYou’re preaching to the choir, I’m a heavy terminal user and I agree completely.
- hojofpodge 9mo agoI think you are being premature, I'll wait until HN updates the site and someone posts their counter point in dance notation before deciding which medium supports actions that are easiest to communicate about.
- g947o 9mo agoI don't see how a command line tool with 10 different flags is necessarily less "error prone" than UI. In fact, I have used many tools where a flag is confusing or has conflicts with another flag in an unexpected way, not to mention subtle issues like escaping.
- shevy-java 9mo agoIt is easier to copy/paste. If the GUI has more than one step people might be confused. Also some GUIs are hard to see or read for people with vision handicaps.
- badc0ffee 9mo agoI once had to pass along to the support team a command for one of our customers to run. It ultimately didn't work because someone along the chain A) autocorrected the spelling of the command name, B) converted the quotation marks to fancy “”, and C) converted the hyphen into some fancy dash.
- matltc 9mo ago
- lousken 9mo agoYear of the linux desktop Year of the windows cli
- steve1977 9mo agoWindows always had a command line. I remember I used to do remote stuff via CLI even back on NT 4.0
- nubinetwork 9mo agoExcept its not a hard power off, it only tells windows to shut down... I've seen instances of windows hanging on both startup and shutdown, leaving me no other option but to hard power off the machine (because nobody uses a reset button anymore).
- dylan604 9mo agoDoes this bring the old Halt and Catch Fire command back as an option?
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- socialcommenter 9mo agoCan this be pasted into Win+R? That might give a novice user more confidence; pasting a short command that literally says "shutdown" into a small, easily identified text dialog box seems clear enough. Small added benefit, presumably it's harder to accidentally run a multi-line multi-stage command because you had the wrong thing in your clipboard (I don't have my windows PC handy, but if you paste multiple lines into Win+R it doesn't execute anything, correct?)
- apublicfrog 9mo agoYes. This is how I've been shutting down windows PCs for decades, as I don't want to use a mouse and start menu positioning varies: Windows + R (type) shutdown /s /t 0 Enter The /t is a time flag and you can abort scheduled shutdowns with the /a flag. Handy if you know your Windows machine will be finished with a task in 10 or so minutes but you need to leave - just set a timer for 1800 seconds and Kazaa will be done with its download ;).
- socialcommenter 9mo agoI use it in command prompt semi-regularly, for some reason never thought to use Win+R to run it...
- 1718627440 9mo ago> Handy if you know your Windows machine will be finished with a task in 10 or so minutes but you need to leave That might maybe work most times, but when your network speed suddenly changes or the downloads is aborted it fails. Far better is just telling your computer that you want it to shutdown after the download finished: wget ... && shutdown now Should also work on MS Windows, IE used to be able to be told to exit once the download finishes, not sure how the situation looks like now.
- apublicfrog 9mo agoAgreed, but I've found Windows to be relatively finicky with the shutdown command, with some OS versions being fine with that and some not. Additionally, on Windows often the action needed is a GUI program with no simple way to post-hook or provide an output a CLI can easily ready. As such I usually set my timer 3x what it needs to be (e.g 1800 for a 10 minute) and it's always had a high chance of working.
- 1970-01-01 9mo agoAlt+F4 on the desktop does the same thing, but does it with a neat UI. No scary CLI needed. Edit - it's Alt+F4.
- mminer237 9mo agoI think this is an exception that proves the rule. The average Windows user literally has no concept of a terminal. The average Linux user does indeed have to copy and paste terminal commands off the internet to fix issues or do seemingly ordinary customization frequently.
- throwa356262 9mo agoThis is not new. Operating a windows machine has always included a bunch of magical commands. It's just that it has usually been in the registery. The cmd and powershell stuff is kind of a new direction. Regarding Linux, I dont think most people need command line for normal work. Obviously the guy that runs an obscure dist in RAID-6 on his toaster would be different, but for most normal people just install Ubuntu and use it.