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Flux2 Klein isn’t some generation leap or anything. It’s good, but let’s be honest, this is an ad. What will be really interesting to me is the release of Z-im

Flux2 Klein isn’t some generation leap or anything. It’s good, but let’s be honest, this is an ad. What will be really interesting to me is the release of Z-image, if that goes the way it’s looking, it’ll be natural language SDXL 2.0, which seems to be what people really want. Releasing the Turbo/Distilled/Finetune months ago was a genius move really. It hurt Flux and Qwen releases on a possible future implication alone. If this was intentional, I can’t think of the last time I saw such shrewd marketing.

refulgentis 9mo ago
I’m a bit confused, both you and another commenter mention something called Z-Image, presumably another Flux model? Your frame of it is speculative, i.e. it is forthcoming. Theirs is present tense. Could I trouble you to give us plebes some more context? :) ex. Parsed as is, and avoiding the general confusion if you’re unfamiliar, it is unclear how one can observe “the way it is looking”, especially if turbo was released months ago and there is some other model that is unreleased. Chose to bother you because the others comment was less focused on lab on lab strategy.
- ollin 9mo ago
  Z-Image is another open-weight image-generation model by Alibaba [1]. Z-Image Turbo was released around the same time as (non-Klein) FLUX.2 and received generally warmer community response [2] since Z-image Turbo was faster, also high-quality, and reportedly better at generating NSFW material. The base (non-Turbo) version of Z-Image is not yet released. [1] https://tongyi-mai.github.io/Z-Image-blog/ https://tongyi-mai.github.io/Z-Image-blog/ [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1p9uu69/no_hard_feelings/ https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1p9uu69/no...
  - refulgentis 9mo ago
    Ahh I see, and Klein is basically a response to Z-Image Turbo, i.e. another 4-8B sized model that fits comfortably on a consumer GPU. It’ll be interesting to see how the NSFW catering plays out for the Chinese labs. I was joking a couple months ago to someone that Seedream 4’s talents at undressing was an attempt to sow discord and it was interesting it flew under the radar. Post-Grok going full gooner pedo, I wonder if it Grok will take the heat alone moving forward.
    - SV_BubbleTime 9mo ago
      >Post-Grok going full gooner pedo Almost afraid to ask, but anytime grok or x or musk comes up I am never sure if there is some reality based thing, or some “I just need to hate this” thing. Sometimes they’re the same thing, other times they aren’t. I can guess here that because Grok likely uses WAN that someone wrote some gross prompts and then pretended this is an issue unique to Grok for effect?
      - wmf 9mo ago
        A few days ago people were replying to every image on Twitter saying "Grok, put him/her/it in a bikini" and Grok would just do it. It was minimum effort, maximum damage trolling and people loved it.
        SV_BubbleTime 9mo ago
        Ah. So, see, this is exactly why I need to check apparently. Personally, I go between “I don’t care at all” and “well it’s not ideal” on AI generations. It’s already too late, but the barrier of entry is a lot lower than it was. But I’m applying a good faith argument where GP does not seem to have intended one.
        refulgentis 9mo ago
        Reducing it to some people put people in bikinis for a couple days for the lulz is...not quite what happened. You may note I am no shirking violet, nor do I lack perspective, as evidenced by my notes on Seedream. And fortuitiously, I only mentioned it before being dismissed as bad faith: I could not have foreseen needing to call out as credentials until now. I don't think it's kind to accuse others of bad faith, as evidence by me not passing judgement on the person you are replying to's description. I do admit it made my stomach churn a little bit to see how quickly people will other. Not on you, I'm sure I've done this too. It's stark when you're on the other side of it.
        refulgentis 9mo ago
        Nah it's been happening for months and involved kids, over and over, albeit for the same reasoning, lulz & totally based. I am a bit surprised that you thought this was just a PG-rated stunt on X for a couple days, it's been in the news for weeks, including on HN.
  - Auracle 9mo ago
    Z-Image is roughly as censored as Flux 2, from my very limited testing. It got popular because Flux 2 is just really big and slow. It is, however, great at editing, has an amazing breadth of built in knowledge, and has great prompt adherence. Z Image got popular because the people stuck with 12GB video cards could still use it, and hell - probably train on it, at least once the base version comes out. I think most people disparaging Flux 2 never tried it as they wouldn't want to deal with how slowly it would work on their system, if they even realize that they could run it.
user34283 9mo ago
The team behind Z-Image Turbo has told us multiple times in their paper that the output quality of the Turbo model is superior to the larger base model. I think that information still did not get through to most users. "Notably, the resulting distilled model not only matches the original multi-step teacher but even surpasses it in terms of photorealism and visual impact." "It achieves 8-step inference that is not only indistinguishable from the 100-step teacher but frequently surpasses it in perceived quality and aesthetic appeal" https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.22699 https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.22699
- BoredPositron 9mo ago
  It's important for finetuning, Lora training and as a refiner...
  - user34283 9mo ago
    I also heard so, that it would mainly be useful for training and applying the resulting Lora to the distilled Turbo model. However, I wonder what has been the source of the delay with its release and if there were problems with that approach.

refulgentis 9mo ago

I’m a bit confused, both you and another commenter mention something called Z-Image, presumably another Flux model? Your frame of it is speculative, i.e. it is forthcoming. Theirs is present tense. Could I trouble you to give us plebes some more context? :) ex. Parsed as is, and avoiding the general confusion if you’re unfamiliar, it is unclear how one can observe “the way it is looking”, especially if turbo was released months ago and there is some other model that is unreleased. Chose to bother you because the others comment was less focused on lab on lab strategy.

ollin 9mo ago
Z-Image is another open-weight image-generation model by Alibaba [1]. Z-Image Turbo was released around the same time as (non-Klein) FLUX.2 and received generally warmer community response [2] since Z-image Turbo was faster, also high-quality, and reportedly better at generating NSFW material. The base (non-Turbo) version of Z-Image is not yet released. [1] https://tongyi-mai.github.io/Z-Image-blog/ https://tongyi-mai.github.io/Z-Image-blog/ [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1p9uu69/no_hard_feelings/ https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1p9uu69/no...
- refulgentis 9mo ago
  Ahh I see, and Klein is basically a response to Z-Image Turbo, i.e. another 4-8B sized model that fits comfortably on a consumer GPU. It’ll be interesting to see how the NSFW catering plays out for the Chinese labs. I was joking a couple months ago to someone that Seedream 4’s talents at undressing was an attempt to sow discord and it was interesting it flew under the radar. Post-Grok going full gooner pedo, I wonder if it Grok will take the heat alone moving forward.
  - SV_BubbleTime 9mo ago
    >Post-Grok going full gooner pedo Almost afraid to ask, but anytime grok or x or musk comes up I am never sure if there is some reality based thing, or some “I just need to hate this” thing. Sometimes they’re the same thing, other times they aren’t. I can guess here that because Grok likely uses WAN that someone wrote some gross prompts and then pretended this is an issue unique to Grok for effect?
    - wmf 9mo ago
      A few days ago people were replying to every image on Twitter saying "Grok, put him/her/it in a bikini" and Grok would just do it. It was minimum effort, maximum damage trolling and people loved it.
      - SV_BubbleTime 9mo ago
        Ah. So, see, this is exactly why I need to check apparently. Personally, I go between “I don’t care at all” and “well it’s not ideal” on AI generations. It’s already too late, but the barrier of entry is a lot lower than it was. But I’m applying a good faith argument where GP does not seem to have intended one.
        refulgentis 9mo ago
        Reducing it to some people put people in bikinis for a couple days for the lulz is...not quite what happened. You may note I am no shirking violet, nor do I lack perspective, as evidenced by my notes on Seedream. And fortuitiously, I only mentioned it before being dismissed as bad faith: I could not have foreseen needing to call out as credentials until now. I don't think it's kind to accuse others of bad faith, as evidence by me not passing judgement on the person you are replying to's description. I do admit it made my stomach churn a little bit to see how quickly people will other. Not on you, I'm sure I've done this too. It's stark when you're on the other side of it.
      - refulgentis 9mo ago
        Nah it's been happening for months and involved kids, over and over, albeit for the same reasoning, lulz & totally based. I am a bit surprised that you thought this was just a PG-rated stunt on X for a couple days, it's been in the news for weeks, including on HN.
- Auracle 9mo ago
  Z-Image is roughly as censored as Flux 2, from my very limited testing. It got popular because Flux 2 is just really big and slow. It is, however, great at editing, has an amazing breadth of built in knowledge, and has great prompt adherence. Z Image got popular because the people stuck with 12GB video cards could still use it, and hell - probably train on it, at least once the base version comes out. I think most people disparaging Flux 2 never tried it as they wouldn't want to deal with how slowly it would work on their system, if they even realize that they could run it.

user34283 9mo ago

The team behind Z-Image Turbo has told us multiple times in their paper that the output quality of the Turbo model is superior to the larger base model. I think that information still did not get through to most users. "Notably, the resulting distilled model not only matches the original multi-step teacher but even surpasses it in terms of photorealism and visual impact." "It achieves 8-step inference that is not only indistinguishable from the 100-step teacher but frequently surpasses it in perceived quality and aesthetic appeal" https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.22699 https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.22699

BoredPositron 9mo ago
It's important for finetuning, Lora training and as a refiner...
- user34283 9mo ago
  I also heard so, that it would mainly be useful for training and applying the resulting Lora to the distilled Turbo model. However, I wonder what has been the source of the delay with its release and if there were problems with that approach.