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Lawfully? How many IPs have they stolen from universities and companies across the world?
by anvuong 9mo ago
Lawfully? How many IPs have they stolen from universities and companies across the world?
- BikiniPrince 9mo agoTheir train industry was built on ripping off companies they forced into poor agreements. They have wrecked industries with technological theft. I suppose it’s lawful from the CCP perspective.
- gmerc 9mo agoYes yes, poor western executives forced to sell their IP portfolio and workforce. Those evil chinese. Lol
- derf_ 9mo agoI do not want to claim that two wrongs make a right, but it is funny that you mention "being forced into poor agreements": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaties
- BigTTYGothGF 9mo ago> forced into poor agreements Couldn't the poor companies have simply chosen to not do business in China?
- nicoburns 9mo agoThey play things according to their own rules, but at least they have some.
- adastra22 9mo agoWhat rules. China famously flaunts the law everywhere they operate, including in foreign countries.
- faust201 9mo agoLaughing heard inside the POTUS office.
- insane_dreamer 9mo agoNo they don’t. Source: me, lived/worked in China for 6 years. There are two rules: 1) to the strongest (doesn’t matter how you get there, 2) make/keep the right connections (guanxi) that will “apply” regulations to your benefit. Most cut-throat place I’ve ever worked.
- FuriouslyAdrift 9mo agoSame experience... I was told I was not Han and not family so f-you
- overfeed 9mo agoFor how long have WASPs been telling outgroups to go kick rocks (or much worse) in the US?
- insane_dreamer 9mo agoit's not comparable, not by a long shot; the level of insider dealing, corporate theft, and corruption, is nothing like what's in the US (that is until Trump 2.0)
- overfeed 9mo agoHan chauvinism is comparable to Manifest Destiny across multiple dimensions. AFAICT, both groups believe(d), despite initial conditions, their authority is pre-ordained and they are/were taking the nation to it's rightful place in the world/history. Other folk they encounter(ed) are bit-players and don't have the same rights, privileges, qualities or shared destiny.
- insane_dreamer 9mo agoI agree with you on that. My "not comparable" comment was in regards to my post about the rules, not specifically the "you're not Han" issue.
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- kolbe 9mo agoI suppose Rule of Force is still a rule, so you aren't wrong per se
- faust201 9mo agoNice. IP is one thing that has ruined many things. Unless you are WIPO and Oracle Fan. All current AI companies are closed. What benefit? Most things from Uni are published openly. BTW, did people in US pay royalty to China for inventing paper?
- mikestorrent 9mo agoYeah, people forget that IP is a social construct, and there's no reason a different society can't simply have different constructs. Open source / Free software is a different social construct too; and Stallman would have us live in a world where nobody is enriching themselves with proprietary technology they exert unfair control over. Problem has always been ensuring that people who have brilliant ideas get appropriately rewarded for their contribution to humanity - but not disproportionately.
- joquarky 9mo ago> ensuring that people who have brilliant ideas get appropriately rewarded This doesn't happen anymore, and the sooner the contributors to our industry learn this, the sooner we can start fixing it.
- LunaSea 9mo agoWhen was paper invented again? Also does China publish it's companies IP publicly or is it just a one-sided relationship?
- throw-the-towel 9mo agoTaking your China comment in good faith: the copyright term on paper has long elapsed anyway, even if there's Mickey Mouse drawn on the paper in question.
- 8note 9mo agoWhat would china consider to be the appropriate length of compensation though? the claim is that chinese people in china must follow US law. presumably US people in US should also follow chinese law.
- piva00 9mo agoJapan did the same in the 70s/80s while growing their homegrown tech companies, over time it seems they've been forgiven. In the end we all benefitted with better products from Sony, Panasonic, Canon, Nikon, and many others.
- spixy 9mo agoIP and copyrights slow progress, their expiration should be greatly limited
- therealpygon 9mo agoI very much agree. Technology moves far too fast in this century for companies, who will only need to invest less as AI improves, to have a monopoly over things that would inevitably (or were already) also being developed. It made sense when you invested 20 years into the research for a thing, back when that was necessary due to the slower pace. People had to travel places more often, spent more time doing so, communications took longer, and generally everything took significantly more time. Those policies served companies well in the last century. These days a grad student tested something on a weekend, a professor viewed the results in the morning and a reaction is already in progress. It simply isn’t reasonable anymore; they should have a right to recoup a reasonable costs, of course, paying off their investment. When that investment becomes a company worth more than at least 50% of the others, maybe they should need to compete more, not less? Make them innovate to maintain customers rather than simply sit on their patents. Just an opinion, but I believe that internal competition will only help us innovate.
- croes 9mo agoGermany did the something similar at the beginning of the 20th century
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- bparsons 9mo agoAsk every American AI company what they think of IP protections. Apparently all intellectual property is fair game now.
- joquarky 9mo agoIP was useful in its time, but it is obsolete in this age.
- mindslight 9mo agoThe Chinese can just request IPs from APNIC too, you know. Or are you referencing the shenanigans with AFRNIC? That still isn't stealing them from companies and universities though. Is there some ongoing mass BGP route hijacking I'm not aware of?
- glemion43 9mo agoHow many resources did the European and American steal from others? How many humans were stolen by USA alone? Does it make it better? No. But that's it. Everything is shit but while USA got rich through manufacturing in the past, now it's China turn
- lnxg33k1 9mo agohttps://www.straitstimes.com/asia/america-once-stole-ideas-from-others-when-it-was-developing-nobel-economics-laureate https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/america-once-stole-ideas-f...
- treyd 9mo agoIntellectual property as it exists and is used today overwhelmingly is used to stifle competition and lock down monopolies. It's used to project power internationally by deputizing foreign countries to protect American business interests. It's a far cry from how it's popularly presented as a way for the "little guy" to protect their inventions.
- stogot 9mo agoI see you’ve never invented anything that you’ve risked having stolen
- ta20240528 9mo agoFine, I’ll bite. What exactly did China steal in 2025, who did they steal it from, which authorities did the victims approach in China for redress, where did they report failing to get redress? You would have to know all the above for it to be real.
- delta_p_delta_x 9mo ago> How many IPs have they stolen Oh no, the poor trillion-dollar multinationals and multi-billionaires, whatever would they do?
- quickthrowman 9mo agoProbably around the same amount of IP that US citizens stole from the UK in the 19th century. We stole loads of inventions during the Industrial Revolution. Does it surprise you to find out that a lot of old money families in the US made their money smuggling opium and other similarly unethical things? We are a nation of crooks and thieves and always have been. I ask anyone reading this comment to please study history more frequently, it will help you understand the world better.
- yongjik 9mo agoWell, I mean, the US is straight up demanding money from its allies (in the form of an "investment agreement" exclusively controlled by the Trump government), and threatening them with economic doom if they don't comply. Stealing IPs from universities almost look quirky in comparison.
- throw0101d 9mo ago> Lawfully? How many IPs have they stolen from universities and companies across the world? Probably about the same as the US when it was a developing nation. "How the United States Stopped Being a Pirate Nation and Learned to Love International Copyright": > From the time of the first federal copyright law in 1790 until enactment of the International Copyright Act in 1891, U.S. copyright law did not apply to works by authors who were not citizens or residents of the United States. U.S. publishers took advantage of this lacuna in the law, and the demand among American readers for books by popular British authors, by reprinting the books of these authors without their authorization and without paying a negotiated royalty to them. * https://digitalcommons.pace.edu/plr/vol39/iss1/7/ https://digitalcommons.pace.edu/plr/vol39/iss1/7/
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- Aloisius 9mo agoPatents (what protects inventions) have nothing to do with copyright.
- shagie 9mo agoI think the suggestion is more around people like Lowell - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Cabot_Lowell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Cabot_Lowell > Despite political independence, the United States remained dependent on imports for manufactured goods. The conflicts between the European Powers and the Embargo of 1807 severely disrupted trade between the United States, Great Britain, France and Asia. Lowell reached the conclusion that to be truly independent, the United States needed to manufacture goods at home. In June 1810, he went on a two-year visit with his family to Britain. ... Lowell developed an interest in the textile industries of Lancashire and Scotland, especially the spinning and weaving machines, which were operated by water power or steam power. He was not able to buy drawings or a model of a power loom. He secretly studied the machines. In Edinburgh he met fellow American Nathan Appleton who would later become a partner in the Lowell mills. As the War of 1812 began, Lowell and his family left Europe and on their way home, the boat and all their personal belongings were searched at the Halifax port to ensure that no contraband was being smuggled out of Great Britain. Lowell had memorized all the workings of British power looms without writing anything down. Or Samuel Slater - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater > Samuel Slater (June 9, 1768 – April 21, 1835) was an early English-American industrialist known as the "Father of the American Industrial Revolution", a phrase coined by Andrew Jackson, and the "Father of the American Factory System". In the United Kingdom, he was called "Slater the Traitor" and "Sam the Slate" because he brought British textile technology to the United States, modifying it for American use. He memorized the textile factory machinery designs as an apprentice to a pioneer in the British industry before migrating to the U.S. at the age of 21. --- Industrial espionage and acts that would be considered patent infringement in today's timeframe were key parts of the early independence for the United States.
- Qem 9mo ago> How many IPs have they stolen from universities and companies across the world? As it's often said, "There is no honor among thieves": https://www.nber.org/digest/mar18/confiscation-german-copyrights-boosted-us-math-and-science?page=1&perPage=50 https://www.nber.org/digest/mar18/confiscation-german-copyri...
- mfuzzey 9mo ago"stolen" should not be used in conjunction with IP, "infringed" if you like. To steal is to deny the original owner access to their property. That is true for physical objects, if I steal your wallet or your car you no longer have it. But if I illegally copy some of your IP you still have access to it. Sure you may experience some financial prejudice from that but you still have it.
- joquarky 9mo agoAgree. The fact that IP is unnatural and relatively new is probably the reason why so many people can't seem to apply the proper terminology around it.
- joquarky 9mo agoIP is unnatural and cannot be "stolen". And thanks to genAI, it will soon be obsolete.
- _DeadFred_ 9mo agoHow did the USA end up with the UKs jet engine/radar/other tech? Oh yeah, it was the only way to get the USA's support for the UK during WW2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizard_Mission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizard_Mission
- danny_codes 9mo agoEh, patents are a silly idea to start with. Can’t expect everyone in the world to get onboard with stupid ideas like that
- frankzinger 9mo agoYou may have a good point but this shows how badly America's reputation has been damaged: it's now viewed as much worse than China.
- protocolture 9mo agoWasnt hollywood set up simply as a safe space to flog camera patents?