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Third world countries lack the resources to secure their ICS and SCADA. Corrupted US govt doesn't even need NSA's capabilities for this.
by flipped 9mo ago
Third world countries lack the resources to secure their ICS and SCADA. Corrupted US govt doesn't even need NSA's capabilities for this.
- toomuchtodo 9mo agoChina should help them. Beijing tells Chinese firms to stop using US and Israeli cybersecurity software - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46618949 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46618949 - January 2026
- alephnerd 9mo agoIt's a performative announcement - most American and Israeli cybersecurity vendors either don't sell in China or white label a Chinese product for the Chinese market. I know 2 companies in that list that have done that very thing because otherwise it would have put their FedRAMP and CMMC pipelines at risk.
- trollbridge 9mo agoI worked at a place that faced exactly that. I initially was in the Huawei client engagement where they wanted copies of all of our source code. We said “no, nobody gets that”. They just keep asking over and over.
- bee_rider 9mo agoOn one hand, that seems like a sure way to get your product copied. On the other, they’d be totally nuts to run a cybersecurity product without the source code, right? Seems like a situation where getting the interests to align is just very difficult.
- trollbridge 9mo agoNo other customers demanded source code.
- bflesch 9mo agoEven with white labeled products so they stay legally compliant, is it really justifiable to increase the risk? They're having people flying in and out for "sales meetings", shared office spaces, devices, maybe even staff overlap. I understand it's a good way to make money but it comes with some tail risk.
- alephnerd 9mo agoBasically, a Chinese MSSP or SI is selected and given the American/Israeli company's logo and makes a revenue share agreement, and an airgapped environment using a distinct fork is deployed. That said, most companies decide not to operate in the Chinese market - the TAM is too small for the headaches that it entails (losing Gov and NATO+ defense procurement opportunities).
- victor106 9mo ago> Corrupted US govt and Venezuela govt is not corrupt?
- flipped 9mo agoEvery govt is. But whoever has most power is most corrupted.
- bflesch 9mo agoYou're using "false equivalence" bias. Not every government is bad, especially if you still have russia, iran, and others as ongoing contenders for worst crimes against humanity. So saying "every government is bad" is simply a bad faith argument and you should shamefully sink towards the planet core for using it. Andorra is not as bad as russia or iran. Just yesterday there was a video where russian soldiers tie an anti tank mine around the torso of a black African mercenary soldier from Mali before forcing him on a suicide meat assault towards Ukrainian positions. Some countries are evil on another level.
- ceejayoz 9mo ago"Murder is bad!" "So rape isn't?!" Come on.
- bschne 9mo agounlike rich countries, which only lack the will and care to secure their ICS and SCADA /s
- marcosdumay 9mo agoOr the US in particular that applies a lot of resources into willfully keeping every ICS and SCADA out there insecure, including their own.
- baxtr 9mo agoNot sure if that’s the right way to divide the world. Actually, poor countries can leverage cyber to pose a much bigger threat than they could traditionally. Or in other words: Cyber can be used for asymmetric warfare. In relative terms, poor countries cause a lot more damage than rich ones.
- alephnerd 9mo agoThis. Also do not underestimate developing countries internal security budgets. Most middle income countries can now afford DACH sized cybersecurity procurement deals.
- hojofpodge 9mo agoThere's also great potential to build misattribution in. Just pause between combining the attacks from the Internet and renaming variables to watch a Dolph Lundgren movie.
- JoeCortopassi 9mo agoI think you missed the parents point. They were saying they don't have the resources for proper defense, my guess is parent would agree about their offensive capabilities