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Then argue for democratically changing the law to make them unambiguously legal. Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corrupti

by mosura 9mo ago

Then argue for democratically changing the law to make them unambiguously legal. Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption.

bonsai_spool 9mo ago
> Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption. That's what the OP is saying.
- mosura 9mo ago
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  - lokar 9mo ago
    They are engaged is massive violations of US law
  - biophysboy 9mo ago
    Detaining citizens is not immigration law.
  - mrtesthah 9mo ago
    ICE is blatantly violating peoples’ rights. Read any comment on this page.
  - fzeroracer 9mo ago
    You can watch any of these videos I posted a few days ago [1] and tell me why. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46598192 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46598192
  - deleted 9mo ago
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  - GordonS 9mo ago
    Because that's plainly not what they are always doing. And the aggressive, racist unprofessional, downright dangerous way ICE are going about things is simply shocking.
pstuart 9mo ago
Congress has been neutered and there's been efforts to ensure that it stays that way.
- mosura 9mo ago
  It isn’t new though. The whole reason it is such a mess now is it was equally deliberately ignored for decades.
  - nullocator 9mo ago
    No. One old man and a bunch of malicious zealots at his side are introducing a tremendous amount of instability into the country and the world at large; just like they did with his first term, only now less inhibited.
    - pstuart 9mo ago
      The problem is the old man and his enablers have zero respect for the law, whereas the other team does (they are not above reproach but in this regard they are distinctly different). This makes the fight unfair, as without law all we have is unbridled violence as a tool and that is a path to ruin for all.
      - mosura 9mo ago
        > have zero respect for the law They are simply enforcing a law that people have had every opportunity to democratically change in the decades since it just stopped being enforced properly, and yet they failed to secure a democratic mandate to do so. Complaining from that position is far from being on a moral high ground.
  - mrguyorama 9mo ago
    Obama was "Deporter in chief" You are just wrong. America didn't even really have borders for most of it's existence, as the very idea of a Nation wasn't really a thing until into the 1800s. We had a purposely pourous border with Mexico until relatively recently. How many mexican immigrants do you happen to think live in Minneapolis?
ceejayoz 9mo ago
> Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption. Like expanding Presidential immunity specifically for a President with 34 existing felony convictions? Or the admin refusing to even investigate the agent in the Good shooting (https://www.axios.com/2026/01/14/ice-trump-minneapolis-investigation-justice-department https://www.axios.com/2026/01/14/ice-trump-minneapolis-inves...) while going after her widow (https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/13/us/prosecutors-doj-resignation-ice-shooting.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/13/us/prosecutors-doj-resign...)?
- mosura 9mo ago
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  - ceejayoz 9mo ago
    > By failing to accept that you are being selective. Are you not being selective? https://hn.algolia.com/?query=mosura%20Trump&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=mosura%20Trump&type=comment
    - mosura 9mo ago
      That link makes no sense for your comment, but it was an interesting insight into your thinking.
      - ceejayoz 9mo ago
        I'll ask more directly, then, I suppose. Do you believe Trump should be immune to those felony convictions? Are you… selective in which laws you like?
        mosura 9mo ago
        When you have accepted there is a need to enforce immigration law, starting with removing those without existing legal status, we can proceed.
lokar 9mo ago
Current ICE/Homeland Security actions are unambiguously illegal. The problem is that without an independent congress the US system is able to descend into authoritarianism. The court has (reasonably) decided that on many broad issues regarding presidential actions and abuse of authority only congress (via impeachment and removal) is able to constrain the president. The current congressional majority has, for now, decided to allow the president to do almost anything he wants, regardless of the law and constitution.

by mosura 9mo ago

Then argue for democratically changing the law to make them unambiguously legal. Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption.

bonsai_spool 9mo ago

> Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption. That's what the OP is saying.

mosura 9mo ago
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- lokar 9mo ago
  They are engaged is massive violations of US law
- biophysboy 9mo ago
  Detaining citizens is not immigration law.
- mrtesthah 9mo ago
  ICE is blatantly violating peoples’ rights. Read any comment on this page.
- fzeroracer 9mo ago
  You can watch any of these videos I posted a few days ago [1] and tell me why. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46598192 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46598192
- deleted 9mo ago
  [deleted]
- GordonS 9mo ago
  Because that's plainly not what they are always doing. And the aggressive, racist unprofessional, downright dangerous way ICE are going about things is simply shocking.

pstuart 9mo ago

Congress has been neutered and there's been efforts to ensure that it stays that way.

mosura 9mo ago
It isn’t new though. The whole reason it is such a mess now is it was equally deliberately ignored for decades.
- nullocator 9mo ago
  No. One old man and a bunch of malicious zealots at his side are introducing a tremendous amount of instability into the country and the world at large; just like they did with his first term, only now less inhibited.
  - pstuart 9mo ago
    The problem is the old man and his enablers have zero respect for the law, whereas the other team does (they are not above reproach but in this regard they are distinctly different). This makes the fight unfair, as without law all we have is unbridled violence as a tool and that is a path to ruin for all.
    - mosura 9mo ago
      > have zero respect for the law They are simply enforcing a law that people have had every opportunity to democratically change in the decades since it just stopped being enforced properly, and yet they failed to secure a democratic mandate to do so. Complaining from that position is far from being on a moral high ground.
- mrguyorama 9mo ago
  Obama was "Deporter in chief" You are just wrong. America didn't even really have borders for most of it's existence, as the very idea of a Nation wasn't really a thing until into the 1800s. We had a purposely pourous border with Mexico until relatively recently. How many mexican immigrants do you happen to think live in Minneapolis?

ceejayoz 9mo ago

> Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption. Like expanding Presidential immunity specifically for a President with 34 existing felony convictions? Or the admin refusing to even investigate the agent in the Good shooting (https://www.axios.com/2026/01/14/ice-trump-minneapolis-investigation-justice-department https://www.axios.com/2026/01/14/ice-trump-minneapolis-inves...) while going after her widow (https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/13/us/prosecutors-doj-resignation-ice-shooting.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/13/us/prosecutors-doj-resign...)?

mosura 9mo ago
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- ceejayoz 9mo ago
  > By failing to accept that you are being selective. Are you not being selective? https://hn.algolia.com/?query=mosura%20Trump&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=mosura%20Trump&type=comment
  - mosura 9mo ago
    That link makes no sense for your comment, but it was an interesting insight into your thinking.
    - ceejayoz 9mo ago
      I'll ask more directly, then, I suppose. Do you believe Trump should be immune to those felony convictions? Are you… selective in which laws you like?
      - mosura 9mo ago
        When you have accepted there is a need to enforce immigration law, starting with removing those without existing legal status, we can proceed.

lokar 9mo ago

Current ICE/Homeland Security actions are unambiguously illegal. The problem is that without an independent congress the US system is able to descend into authoritarianism. The court has (reasonably) decided that on many broad issues regarding presidential actions and abuse of authority only congress (via impeachment and removal) is able to constrain the president. The current congressional majority has, for now, decided to allow the president to do almost anything he wants, regardless of the law and constitution.