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I have a hunch most people recognize this, but many are ok with it. I have hope (But not confidence) people will see this in the upcoming US elections and more

I have a hunch most people recognize this, but many are ok with it. I have hope (But not confidence) people will see this in the upcoming US elections and more broadly. This is transparent authoritarian behavior. Edit: Challenge: If you downvoted the parent post here (It's currently grey), I would love to hear why you think this doesn't match the pattern. Are you living in the US? I in general am struggling to understand my fellow US citizens, given the history of our nation.

smt88 9mo ago
I expect masked ICE agents to be deployed to polls in purple and blue states to "prevent non-citizens from voting" (i.e. to scare minorities away from polls)
- ecshafer 9mo ago
  Bet. Lets see if we can get this up on polymarket, bet on it.
  - staplers 9mo ago
    You already lost your own bet. "A pair of armed and masked men in tactical gear stood guard at ballot drop boxes in Mesa, Ariz., on Oct. 21 as people began early voting for the 2022 midterm elections." They might be "off-duty" but this is during Biden's admin. They're immensely more emboldened now and local LE will absolutely not enforce any laws restricting this. Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/06/election-officials-facing-armed-militia-presence-at-some-polls.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/06/election-officials-facing-ar...
    - ecshafer 9mo ago
      So the goal post moved from ICE or Federal agents being stationed at polling stations to any individual at all?
      - staplers 9mo ago
        The goalposts moved when ICE's hiring standards fell to "any individual at all".
- andsoitis 9mo ago
  > deployed to polls in purple and blue states to "prevent non-citizens from voting" (i.e. to scare minorities away from polls) MOST states (purple, blue, red) have mail-in voting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_voting_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_voting_in_the_United_St...
  - lokar 9mo ago
    For now. The tyrant controls the post office.
  - ceejayoz 9mo ago
    They're working on that. Challenging the rules: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/supreme-court-revives-gop-congressmans-challenge-to-late-arriving-mail-ballot-law https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/supreme-court-revives-... Changing the rules at USPS: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/how-this-new-mail-rule-could-affect-your-ballot-your-tax-return-and-more https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/how-this-new-mail-rule-c... And I'd fully expect some fuckery via executive orders closer to the election, and SCOTUS to use the emergency docket to let them "temporarily" be enforced.
  - buellerbueller 9mo ago
    It is being restricted. My red state has gone from allowing mail-in ballots that were allowed if they were postmarked by election day, to requiring them to be in by election day. When the postmaster general is a Trump appointee, and the mail has slowed down over the last few years, it makes me wonder if this is deliberate.
  - kgwxd 9mo ago
    They're targeting that too. e.g. recent change to postmark dates.
  - JayNitram 9mo ago
    Correct, which the administration is also trying to remove.
RHSeeger 9mo ago
I would start with this, because it's a flat out lie > Everyone is ok targeting te immigrant populations because they are "illegal" or live in a gray area of legality. People have been complaining about the attack on immigrants for a good, long while. And the complaining has been getting louder, more frequent, and from more people with every day. When they kidnapped workers and suddenly the price of everything went up, there was a lot of "see?!? this is what we're talking about" So no, "everyone" isn't ok with the targeting of immigrants.
- sjsdaiuasgdia 9mo ago
  They should have said "enough are ok" instead of "everyone is ok". Unfortunately, there are still enough people who are fine with the Trump / Miller / Noem / Bovino approach to immigration enforcement, or they're not impacted personally enough to make them speak or act. I hope the cartoon villain responses coming from the administration when they're challenged on any of this will get more people to stand up against it all.
  - Ray20 9mo ago
    > I hope the cartoon villain responses coming from the administration when they're challenged on any of this will get more people to stand up against it all. I don't think we should expect people to stand up against all of this. Even if most of them don't like it, let's be honest, it's not a dealbreaker for them. Especially if the next election other party puts forward some deliberately hypocritical, racist, out-of-touch elitist like Kamala Harris.
    - sjsdaiuasgdia 9mo ago
      > hypocritical, racist, out-of-touch elitist like Kamala Harris. Gee I wonder what side of the political spectrum you align to... I like rule of law and due process. I like the Constitution and its balance of powers. I think that a good chunk of Americans also like these things. I believe the current administration is acting in extremely contrary ways to those things. So yes, I expect more Americans to stand up and speak out.
fourseventy 9mo ago
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- the__alchemist 9mo ago
  Do you truly believe that is the intent behind the use of ICE in MN and beyond, and that is where it will stop?
  - fourseventy 9mo ago
    Yes. ICE has existed long before Trump and will exist after. Deportation of illegal immigrants is not a new thing.
    - footy 9mo ago
      ICE has only existed since 2003 which I'd argue is not "before Trump" and regardless is not a long time.
      - fourseventy 9mo ago
        It was 13 years before Trump was president. Before ICE existed other agencies handled immigration enforcement. Everyone in this thread is acting like illegal immigrants have never been deported before Trump was elected.
        footy 9mo ago
        Yeah, my point is that 13 years (or frankly, 23) hardly counts as "a long time". That's less than 10% of the history of the United States! ICE is less old than The Matrix or the iPod or the complete decoding of the human genome.
    - nullocator 9mo ago
      Trump as demonstrated that the next president has full authority to disassemble and disband effectively any agency or federal organization that they like. So I wouldn't be so sure that ICE will exist after Trump, assuming we continue to have fair elections which is a big if I guess. I certainly would consider voting for a candidate who expressed a desire to exercise this authority and presidential power to defund ICE, fire and federally blacklist all of it's former employees during that presidents term.

smt88 9mo ago

I expect masked ICE agents to be deployed to polls in purple and blue states to "prevent non-citizens from voting" (i.e. to scare minorities away from polls)

ecshafer 9mo ago
Bet. Lets see if we can get this up on polymarket, bet on it.
- staplers 9mo ago
  You already lost your own bet. "A pair of armed and masked men in tactical gear stood guard at ballot drop boxes in Mesa, Ariz., on Oct. 21 as people began early voting for the 2022 midterm elections." They might be "off-duty" but this is during Biden's admin. They're immensely more emboldened now and local LE will absolutely not enforce any laws restricting this. Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/06/election-officials-facing-armed-militia-presence-at-some-polls.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/06/election-officials-facing-ar...
  - ecshafer 9mo ago
    So the goal post moved from ICE or Federal agents being stationed at polling stations to any individual at all?
    - staplers 9mo ago
      The goalposts moved when ICE's hiring standards fell to "any individual at all".
andsoitis 9mo ago
> deployed to polls in purple and blue states to "prevent non-citizens from voting" (i.e. to scare minorities away from polls) MOST states (purple, blue, red) have mail-in voting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_voting_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_voting_in_the_United_St...
- lokar 9mo ago
  For now. The tyrant controls the post office.
- ceejayoz 9mo ago
  They're working on that. Challenging the rules: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/supreme-court-revives-gop-congressmans-challenge-to-late-arriving-mail-ballot-law https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/supreme-court-revives-... Changing the rules at USPS: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/how-this-new-mail-rule-could-affect-your-ballot-your-tax-return-and-more https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/how-this-new-mail-rule-c... And I'd fully expect some fuckery via executive orders closer to the election, and SCOTUS to use the emergency docket to let them "temporarily" be enforced.
- buellerbueller 9mo ago
  It is being restricted. My red state has gone from allowing mail-in ballots that were allowed if they were postmarked by election day, to requiring them to be in by election day. When the postmaster general is a Trump appointee, and the mail has slowed down over the last few years, it makes me wonder if this is deliberate.
- kgwxd 9mo ago
  They're targeting that too. e.g. recent change to postmark dates.
- JayNitram 9mo ago
  Correct, which the administration is also trying to remove.

RHSeeger 9mo ago

I would start with this, because it's a flat out lie > Everyone is ok targeting te immigrant populations because they are "illegal" or live in a gray area of legality. People have been complaining about the attack on immigrants for a good, long while. And the complaining has been getting louder, more frequent, and from more people with every day. When they kidnapped workers and suddenly the price of everything went up, there was a lot of "see?!? this is what we're talking about" So no, "everyone" isn't ok with the targeting of immigrants.

sjsdaiuasgdia 9mo ago
They should have said "enough are ok" instead of "everyone is ok". Unfortunately, there are still enough people who are fine with the Trump / Miller / Noem / Bovino approach to immigration enforcement, or they're not impacted personally enough to make them speak or act. I hope the cartoon villain responses coming from the administration when they're challenged on any of this will get more people to stand up against it all.
- Ray20 9mo ago
  > I hope the cartoon villain responses coming from the administration when they're challenged on any of this will get more people to stand up against it all. I don't think we should expect people to stand up against all of this. Even if most of them don't like it, let's be honest, it's not a dealbreaker for them. Especially if the next election other party puts forward some deliberately hypocritical, racist, out-of-touch elitist like Kamala Harris.
  - sjsdaiuasgdia 9mo ago
    > hypocritical, racist, out-of-touch elitist like Kamala Harris. Gee I wonder what side of the political spectrum you align to... I like rule of law and due process. I like the Constitution and its balance of powers. I think that a good chunk of Americans also like these things. I believe the current administration is acting in extremely contrary ways to those things. So yes, I expect more Americans to stand up and speak out.

fourseventy 9mo ago

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the__alchemist 9mo ago
Do you truly believe that is the intent behind the use of ICE in MN and beyond, and that is where it will stop?
- fourseventy 9mo ago
  Yes. ICE has existed long before Trump and will exist after. Deportation of illegal immigrants is not a new thing.
  - footy 9mo ago
    ICE has only existed since 2003 which I'd argue is not "before Trump" and regardless is not a long time.
    - fourseventy 9mo ago
      It was 13 years before Trump was president. Before ICE existed other agencies handled immigration enforcement. Everyone in this thread is acting like illegal immigrants have never been deported before Trump was elected.
      - footy 9mo ago
        Yeah, my point is that 13 years (or frankly, 23) hardly counts as "a long time". That's less than 10% of the history of the United States! ICE is less old than The Matrix or the iPod or the complete decoding of the human genome.
  - nullocator 9mo ago
    Trump as demonstrated that the next president has full authority to disassemble and disband effectively any agency or federal organization that they like. So I wouldn't be so sure that ICE will exist after Trump, assuming we continue to have fair elections which is a big if I guess. I certainly would consider voting for a candidate who expressed a desire to exercise this authority and presidential power to defund ICE, fire and federally blacklist all of it's former employees during that presidents term.