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H1-B VISA has a limit of 6 years. H1-Bs get no social security benefits even though they pay social security taxes just like anyone else. Their children do not

H1-B VISA has a limit of 6 years. H1-Bs get no social security benefits even though they pay social security taxes just like anyone else. Their children do not educate for free - they pay local, federal and city taxes just like anyone else. They aren't allowed to vote. You are thinking immigrants not H1-Bs. Due to severe shortage of immigrant VISAs and due to MNCs not filing Green Cards for most H1-Bs - there is a small percentage of total H1-Bs that actually end up staying and becoming citizens.

rayiner 14y ago
I'm talking immigration generally, not just H1-B. But even in the context of H1-B: If an H1-B needs emergency treatment, hospitals won't turn them away because of their H1-B status. That's part of our social safety net. Education is paid via property taxes. Most H1-B's do not own their homes and thus do not pay property taxes. In any case, nobody who is living here six years is covering the cost of a child's education. It costs $15-20k per year to educate a child in most states. Very few people pay that much in property taxes per year. The system depends on long-term commitments--you pay property taxes during many years when you don't have kids, then get the benefit for the years your kids are in school. My point is not to try and make distinctions about whether the average H1-B contributes enough to the tax base. I'm sure they do. But that's not the point. My point is that with any given H1-B, the community takes certain obligations to that person. It's not just a matter between the employer and the immigrant.
- xxpor 14y ago
  >Most H1-B's do not own their homes and thus do not pay property taxes I see this ridiculous assertion everywhere now a days. If h1b's are renting an apartment, they are still paying property taxes because the building owner has to pay these taxes. Do you think that property owners really pay these taxes out of the goodness of their heart?
  - rayiner 14y ago
    The allocation of property taxes amongst renters and landlords isn't a simple calculation. It depends on the dynamics of the market.
    - xxpor 14y ago
      It's ultimately irrelevant.
  - Spooky23 14y ago
    Typically the tax density per square foot is higher for middle class homes than for rentals. 100 $200k homes yield more property valuation (and thus tax) than a 100 unit trailer park that is worth $60k/ unit. That's why outside of the largest cities, there isn't much high density housing for middle class folks -- it's not price competitive.
- blinkingled 14y ago
  > H1-B needs emergency treatment, hospitals won't turn them away because of their H1-B status. I am not sure what you are saying here. H1-Bs and their employers pay for medical insurance (this is at market rate - not subsidized by the taxpayer or anything like that) - I and dozens other I know did. That covers their medical emergencies. H1-Bs pay premiums for children and spouse too btw. If they lose their job - they have one week (that too is grey area) to leave the country. Why do you think H1-B emergency treatments are a) significant and routine and b) at a cost to citizens/permanent residents? I can tell you one thing though - your assumptions about H1Bs being a burden on society is far from truth. If your theory is that they don't stay long enough to be able to buy a house and pay property taxes - that's hardly their fault. Plus not every citizen born here buys a house - many rent.
  - rayiner 14y ago
    H1-B's are not required to have insurance plans nor are any employer insurance plans required to cover their dependents. Nor is their any guarantee that insurance will cover all the expenses. I don't think H1-B treatments are a significant cost to citizens/permanent residents. That's not my point. My point is that our hospitals are required by law to treat anyone that comes in, regardless of status. That's an obligation our society has to every person within its borders. There are many other obligations like it. We as a community cannot be forced to take on those obligations, we must do so voluntarily.
    - blinkingled 14y ago
      Is there a law for residents/citizens that requires employers to have insurance plans that cover all expenses? Emergency treatments are not exactly free or paid for by tax payers. If a H1-B loses his job or doesn't pay for med insurance and goes to healthcare institution (are there any publicly funded ones here?) - they will treat him/her but slap a collection for the full costs. As far as I know that is a potential loss for the healthcare provider not the general public as they did not fund the private organization.
      - rayiner 14y ago
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- artsrc 14y ago
  I agree that a green cards (permanent residency) and citizenship involve significant obligations. From a fiscal point of view H1-B's are all win for the Government. They won't take chronically sick or otherwise disadvantaged people. They don't take old people. They mostly (all?) get health insurance. H1-B don't involve much more long term liability than tourist visa's. Many (most?) H1B don't have kids. When I was an H1B I paid many multiples of $20K in tax and had no kids in school. > It costs $15-20k per year to educate a child in most states. I am wondering your source. I don't know where this money could go. Teacher student ratios are about 25 to 1 and teachers cost about $75k, so I figure it costs about 3K in basic salary plus about 1K in reasonable overheads + $6K in government waste. Total spending is k-12 spending in the US is $526.1B (1) Total children are 25.0 + 25.4 million (2) So it actually costs about $10K per child. 1 - http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2013USbn_13bs1n_2021#usgs302 http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2013USbn_1... 2 - http://www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/pop1.asp http://www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/pop1.asp
- guyzero 14y ago
  I'm an H1-B holder who pays $10K annually in property taxes. Seriously, you're just making stuff up here. Everyone pays property taxes, either directly for homeowners or indirectly through rent. H1-B holders pay income taxes just like everyone else which is what pays for things like emergency rooms. H1-B holder also have jobs (by definition) and so are nearly guaranteed to have health insurance unlike most Americans. If your point isn't that H1-B holders don't pay their way in society (because they do) then why mention all the points about how they're not paying their way?

rayiner 14y ago

I'm talking immigration generally, not just H1-B. But even in the context of H1-B: If an H1-B needs emergency treatment, hospitals won't turn them away because of their H1-B status. That's part of our social safety net. Education is paid via property taxes. Most H1-B's do not own their homes and thus do not pay property taxes. In any case, nobody who is living here six years is covering the cost of a child's education. It costs $15-20k per year to educate a child in most states. Very few people pay that much in property taxes per year. The system depends on long-term commitments--you pay property taxes during many years when you don't have kids, then get the benefit for the years your kids are in school. My point is not to try and make distinctions about whether the average H1-B contributes enough to the tax base. I'm sure they do. But that's not the point. My point is that with any given H1-B, the community takes certain obligations to that person. It's not just a matter between the employer and the immigrant.

xxpor 14y ago
>Most H1-B's do not own their homes and thus do not pay property taxes I see this ridiculous assertion everywhere now a days. If h1b's are renting an apartment, they are still paying property taxes because the building owner has to pay these taxes. Do you think that property owners really pay these taxes out of the goodness of their heart?
- rayiner 14y ago
  The allocation of property taxes amongst renters and landlords isn't a simple calculation. It depends on the dynamics of the market.
  - xxpor 14y ago
    It's ultimately irrelevant.
- Spooky23 14y ago
  Typically the tax density per square foot is higher for middle class homes than for rentals. 100 $200k homes yield more property valuation (and thus tax) than a 100 unit trailer park that is worth $60k/ unit. That's why outside of the largest cities, there isn't much high density housing for middle class folks -- it's not price competitive.
blinkingled 14y ago
> H1-B needs emergency treatment, hospitals won't turn them away because of their H1-B status. I am not sure what you are saying here. H1-Bs and their employers pay for medical insurance (this is at market rate - not subsidized by the taxpayer or anything like that) - I and dozens other I know did. That covers their medical emergencies. H1-Bs pay premiums for children and spouse too btw. If they lose their job - they have one week (that too is grey area) to leave the country. Why do you think H1-B emergency treatments are a) significant and routine and b) at a cost to citizens/permanent residents? I can tell you one thing though - your assumptions about H1Bs being a burden on society is far from truth. If your theory is that they don't stay long enough to be able to buy a house and pay property taxes - that's hardly their fault. Plus not every citizen born here buys a house - many rent.
- rayiner 14y ago
  H1-B's are not required to have insurance plans nor are any employer insurance plans required to cover their dependents. Nor is their any guarantee that insurance will cover all the expenses. I don't think H1-B treatments are a significant cost to citizens/permanent residents. That's not my point. My point is that our hospitals are required by law to treat anyone that comes in, regardless of status. That's an obligation our society has to every person within its borders. There are many other obligations like it. We as a community cannot be forced to take on those obligations, we must do so voluntarily.
  - blinkingled 14y ago
    Is there a law for residents/citizens that requires employers to have insurance plans that cover all expenses? Emergency treatments are not exactly free or paid for by tax payers. If a H1-B loses his job or doesn't pay for med insurance and goes to healthcare institution (are there any publicly funded ones here?) - they will treat him/her but slap a collection for the full costs. As far as I know that is a potential loss for the healthcare provider not the general public as they did not fund the private organization.
    - rayiner 14y ago
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artsrc 14y ago
I agree that a green cards (permanent residency) and citizenship involve significant obligations. From a fiscal point of view H1-B's are all win for the Government. They won't take chronically sick or otherwise disadvantaged people. They don't take old people. They mostly (all?) get health insurance. H1-B don't involve much more long term liability than tourist visa's. Many (most?) H1B don't have kids. When I was an H1B I paid many multiples of $20K in tax and had no kids in school. > It costs $15-20k per year to educate a child in most states. I am wondering your source. I don't know where this money could go. Teacher student ratios are about 25 to 1 and teachers cost about $75k, so I figure it costs about 3K in basic salary plus about 1K in reasonable overheads + $6K in government waste. Total spending is k-12 spending in the US is $526.1B (1) Total children are 25.0 + 25.4 million (2) So it actually costs about $10K per child. 1 - http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2013USbn_13bs1n_2021#usgs302 http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2013USbn_1... 2 - http://www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/pop1.asp http://www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/pop1.asp
guyzero 14y ago
I'm an H1-B holder who pays $10K annually in property taxes. Seriously, you're just making stuff up here. Everyone pays property taxes, either directly for homeowners or indirectly through rent. H1-B holders pay income taxes just like everyone else which is what pays for things like emergency rooms. H1-B holder also have jobs (by definition) and so are nearly guaranteed to have health insurance unlike most Americans. If your point isn't that H1-B holders don't pay their way in society (because they do) then why mention all the points about how they're not paying their way?