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The disturbing part isn’t that bad encounters happen — it’s that these techniques are officially banned, yet keep showing up across unrelated cases. When policy

The disturbing part isn’t that bad encounters happen — it’s that these techniques are officially banned, yet keep showing up across unrelated cases. When policy and on-the-ground behavior diverge this consistently, it stops looking like individual misconduct and starts looking like a systems problem.

stanislavb 9mo ago
Oh, there's a systems problem for sure. I thought it's obvious to everyone.
adrr 9mo ago
Laws don't matter in the US any more. Epstein files aren't being released even though there is law that requires. TikTok is still operating in the US even though there is law that bans it. Laws are only recommendations now.
- scarecrowbob 9mo ago
  Oh, there are certainly still laws that "matter". I assure you if you treat an ice agent the way that they treat folks, you will see the application of quite a few laws.
  - _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
    "For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law" is the motto of tyrants and dictators. And now, the USA.
dsr_ 9mo ago
The purpose of a system is what it does. ICE is government-sponsored terrorism. Incorrupt governments follow their own laws.
duxup 9mo ago
In Minneapolis there are videos of ICE blocking off residential neighborhoods and going door, demanding ID of residents. https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minneapolis_several_armed_men_do_you_have_id/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minnea... These aren’t bad apples, ICE operates without regard to the law by design.
- jochem9 9mo ago
  In the Netherlands we call that a razzia. Very popular in the early 40s.
  - UncleMeat 9mo ago
    General warrants (the sort of thing being done here) are explicitly listed as one of the things motivating independence from england in the declaration of independence.
anal_reactor 9mo ago
On one hand I'd say you have a reason to panic but on the other it's no secret that in the US might makes right so it's not like the overall situation has changed dramatically.
nextaccountic 9mo ago
It's not banned if ICE agents aren't prosecuted when they commit crimes

stanislavb 9mo ago

Oh, there's a systems problem for sure. I thought it's obvious to everyone.

adrr 9mo ago

Laws don't matter in the US any more. Epstein files aren't being released even though there is law that requires. TikTok is still operating in the US even though there is law that bans it. Laws are only recommendations now.

scarecrowbob 9mo ago
Oh, there are certainly still laws that "matter". I assure you if you treat an ice agent the way that they treat folks, you will see the application of quite a few laws.
- _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
  "For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law" is the motto of tyrants and dictators. And now, the USA.

dsr_ 9mo ago

The purpose of a system is what it does. ICE is government-sponsored terrorism. Incorrupt governments follow their own laws.

duxup 9mo ago

In Minneapolis there are videos of ICE blocking off residential neighborhoods and going door, demanding ID of residents. https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minneapolis_several_armed_men_do_you_have_id/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minnea... These aren’t bad apples, ICE operates without regard to the law by design.

jochem9 9mo ago
In the Netherlands we call that a razzia. Very popular in the early 40s.
- UncleMeat 9mo ago
  General warrants (the sort of thing being done here) are explicitly listed as one of the things motivating independence from england in the declaration of independence.

anal_reactor 9mo ago

On one hand I'd say you have a reason to panic but on the other it's no secret that in the US might makes right so it's not like the overall situation has changed dramatically.

nextaccountic 9mo ago

It's not banned if ICE agents aren't prosecuted when they commit crimes