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If one of America's main exports is culture, why would you ban factor inputs? They're also not fungible and extremely mobile. People get attached to specific O

by jjmarr 10mo ago

If one of America's main exports is culture, why would you ban factor inputs? They're also not fungible and extremely mobile. People get attached to specific OF stars and the medium inherently requires remote work. So it's an inherently global labour force that protectionism won't help. American OF models won't magically make more money if you ban immigration unless you also ban cultural imports. The government isn't displacing local talent by importing OF models and gets tax dollars for essentially doing nothing. Those tax dollars pay for schools/hospitals/etc. OF also skews towards young, unmarried women, which balances the gender surplus of unmarried men that generally tries to immigrate. Since they're young, they also have more productivity before drawing on benefits like Medicare or Social Security. By any objective standard OF models are the ideal migrant.

password54321 10mo ago
...I get this is HN but come on. It is just modern day JasminCam for lonely men that are being exploited through parasocial relationships. It is the opposite of productive. You just have society feeding on itself.
- stackghost 10mo ago
  >It is just modern day JasminCam for lonely men that are being exploited through parasocial relationships. It is the opposite of productive. You can make all the moral judgments you like, but the fact is: They're making money either way, and then spending that money in their local communities. They can spend that money (and pay taxes on it) in the US or not. It's no different economically than a musician or an actor doing the same.
  - password54321 10mo ago
    It was not a moral judgement.
- drdaeman 10mo ago
  > exploited Isn’t that a derogatory stereotype? Aren’t those men (and women and other folks) as “exploited” as a reader of a book or a player of a game, who understands they’re about to be a part of a fantasy but willingly suspend the disbelief for a short while? It’s only exploitation if this suspension of disbelief is artificially prolonged in nefarious way, with a self-reinforcing fantasy so the person loses touch with the reality and spends increasingly unhealthy amounts of time in a fantasy, or otherwise get conditioned and start to exhibit addiction-like behaviors that aren’t in their best long-term interests. That happens (every entertainment industry has its whales), but saying it’s the norm (rather than a pathological extremity) is sort of stigmatizing.
  - password54321 10mo ago
    Parasocial relationships are inherently exploitive.
    - nozzlegear 10mo ago
      Are all transactions on OF inherently a parasocial relationship? If a dude wants to jerk his schmeat to somebody he thinks is attractive, and pays for access to the media without otherwise engaging, is that parasocial?
      - password54321 10mo ago
        You could do that for free. Most are obviously looking for more. It kind of sounds like you are trying to justify whatever it is you are doing, in which case you do you. I don't actually care what you do and neither should you care what I think.
        nozzlegear 10mo ago
        > You could do that for free. Most are obviously looking for more. And everyone can use Pornhub for free, yet Pornhub still makes money on their premium subscriptions. Are those also parasocial relationships? > It kind of sounds like you are trying to justify whatever it is you are doing, in which case you do you. You know I thought about putting the obligatory "I don't use OF" in my first comment, but felt it wouldn't be necessary. I see that it was; by the way have you stopped beating your wife?
- zer00eyz 10mo ago
  There is a reason why "the oldest profession" is a polite idiom for prostitution. Calling it "parasocial", doesn't change what it is, but the technology as a mediator does. And society has been feeding on itself since we moved past hunter gatherers.
  - stackghost 10mo ago
    >There is a reason why "the oldest profession" is a polite idiom for prostitution. The term only gained popularity at the start of the 1900s, it's a proto-meme
gowld 10mo ago
This seems more like importing culture. These content creators aren't coming to work or American creators, they are coming to America to create their content for American audiences or using American resources.

by jjmarr 10mo ago

password54321 10mo ago

...I get this is HN but come on. It is just modern day JasminCam for lonely men that are being exploited through parasocial relationships. It is the opposite of productive. You just have society feeding on itself.

stackghost 10mo ago
>It is just modern day JasminCam for lonely men that are being exploited through parasocial relationships. It is the opposite of productive. You can make all the moral judgments you like, but the fact is: They're making money either way, and then spending that money in their local communities. They can spend that money (and pay taxes on it) in the US or not. It's no different economically than a musician or an actor doing the same.
- password54321 10mo ago
  It was not a moral judgement.
drdaeman 10mo ago
> exploited Isn’t that a derogatory stereotype? Aren’t those men (and women and other folks) as “exploited” as a reader of a book or a player of a game, who understands they’re about to be a part of a fantasy but willingly suspend the disbelief for a short while? It’s only exploitation if this suspension of disbelief is artificially prolonged in nefarious way, with a self-reinforcing fantasy so the person loses touch with the reality and spends increasingly unhealthy amounts of time in a fantasy, or otherwise get conditioned and start to exhibit addiction-like behaviors that aren’t in their best long-term interests. That happens (every entertainment industry has its whales), but saying it’s the norm (rather than a pathological extremity) is sort of stigmatizing.
- password54321 10mo ago
  Parasocial relationships are inherently exploitive.
  - nozzlegear 10mo ago
    Are all transactions on OF inherently a parasocial relationship? If a dude wants to jerk his schmeat to somebody he thinks is attractive, and pays for access to the media without otherwise engaging, is that parasocial?
    - password54321 10mo ago
      You could do that for free. Most are obviously looking for more. It kind of sounds like you are trying to justify whatever it is you are doing, in which case you do you. I don't actually care what you do and neither should you care what I think.
      - nozzlegear 10mo ago
        > You could do that for free. Most are obviously looking for more. And everyone can use Pornhub for free, yet Pornhub still makes money on their premium subscriptions. Are those also parasocial relationships? > It kind of sounds like you are trying to justify whatever it is you are doing, in which case you do you. You know I thought about putting the obligatory "I don't use OF" in my first comment, but felt it wouldn't be necessary. I see that it was; by the way have you stopped beating your wife?
zer00eyz 10mo ago
There is a reason why "the oldest profession" is a polite idiom for prostitution. Calling it "parasocial", doesn't change what it is, but the technology as a mediator does. And society has been feeding on itself since we moved past hunter gatherers.
- stackghost 10mo ago
  >There is a reason why "the oldest profession" is a polite idiom for prostitution. The term only gained popularity at the start of the 1900s, it's a proto-meme

gowld 10mo ago

This seems more like importing culture. These content creators aren't coming to work or American creators, they are coming to America to create their content for American audiences or using American resources.