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UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning
- Mistletoe 9mo agoPre-cog, you say?
- pelagicAustral 9mo agoMinority Report for dickpics
- netsharc 9mo agoPre-cock.
- ajsnigrutin 9mo agoHow will it know if the dick pic is wanted or unwanted?
- netsharc 9mo agoThe recipient will be required to fill a form to confirm desire for the dick pic, and the ministry will issue a dispensation allowing the taking and sending of said dick pic. Please allow 3-4 weeks to process the request.
- bubblethink 9mo agoYes, it's an amended version of form 27B/6.
- kitd 9mo agoCan I get that one in the Post Office?
- HeckFeck 9mo agoNo, but you can get the form to request the form. Then it must be stamped by an official in the [strikethrough]Ministry of Information[/strikethrough] Ofcom. Please allow 4-5 months for processing thanks to our partners delivering efficient intersection of Government and Industry, Capita.
- mikkupikku 9mo agoThose forms are kept in the Displays Department, in the basement.
- bubblethink 9mo agoBeware of the Leopard.
- hexbin010 9mo agoThe uncomfortable truth: I know and have met plenty of women who have invited and welcomed dick pics. As a gay guy, I can tell you that lots of women are actually very interested in dick pics. They don't need a minister protecting them from themselves.
- netsharc 9mo agoCome on, even knowing this, you have to admit there's probably a lot more unsolicited than solicited ones...
- hexbin010 9mo agoWho knows, I haven't searched for unbiased data to be honest But they can be more judicious with whom they share contact details, and use the block button. They are not forced to be the recipient of any message. Do you think the only solution is for a government backdoor?
- doublerabbit 9mo agoNo, I don't. But does the government think the only solution is a backdoor? Yes. They are the ones in power, not you & I.
- netsharc 9mo agoYeah, the government's idea is moronic. But making it the victims' responsibility ("don't share your number indiscriminately") is depressing too. How about make it easier to prosecute the unsolicited sending. How about educating people not to be fuckwits.. Yeah prosecution makes lives more difficult, it's rife for abuse (the recipient could fake evidence, the sender could claim he was hacked/his friend took his unlocked phone..)..
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- iamnothere 9mo agoSimply apply for your Penile Photography Receiver loicense at the local government office and fill out a few forms describing the type of penile photos you are open to receiving. Pay the fee, give it a few weeks, and done. Easy peasy.
- PunchyHamster 9mo agoUK has fallen
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- hexbin010 9mo agoWow nobody saw this coming /s They whipped up a mini pandemic of people being subject to an onslaught of unwanted dick pics (not mentioning even once about the "block" feature on every single platform) to justify it This is the Ministry of Truth building up their toolset
- ghusto 9mo ago> The UK Department for Science, Innovation and Technology (DSIT) unveiled the changes through a promotional video showing a smartphone scanning AirDropped photos and warning the user that an “unwanted nude” had been detected. "Unwanted"
- soco 9mo agoI can imagine in the app/phone settings "allow nudes only from contacts" or a whitelist something? I get on Tumblr all the time unsolicited shit, not necessarily bad looking but no thanks I can take care of myself.
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- rdm_blackhole 9mo ago> The UK Department for Science, Innovation and Technology (DSIT) It should be called the Ministry of Truth at this point. > Unwanted How do you know if a nude is unwanted? The premise itself makes no sense. The only way this could potentially work is if you had the whole context of the relationship somehow embedded in the messages and then if you deciphered the intent behind the messages. Even then what about sarcasm or double entendre?
- potato3732842 9mo ago>How do you know if a nude is unwanted? The premise itself makes no sense If the app has sufficient permissions to infer user demographics a sufficiently jaded person should be able to come up with a set of rules that get you a 99% solution pretty easily.
- mikkupikku 9mo agoIn the future, phones will refuse to take pictures of dicks unless men register their height and income levels so that useful and relevant information can be added to the image metadata.
- doublerabbit 9mo agoHow's that lawsuit with 4Chan going ofcom? Last checking, just now the site is still online. Time to move my colocated servers out of the UK.
- HeckFeck 9mo agoIf they're really keen, they could just ask the hacker known as Soyjak.party to knock it offline again.
- westmeal 9mo agoThey'd better make sure there are no conspicuously placed yellow vans a either, least they explode.
- pelagicAustral 9mo agoIt will get sorted in two more weeks
- HeckFeck 9mo agoNothing any government in my lifetime has done has arrested this feeling of decay, decline and desperation. It's like the occupational political class has a miserable vendetta and must afflict it upon the population. But I'm not actually miserable like you, I don't want to feel like you, we invented liberty in this country, now fuck off the lot of you thank you.
- captain_coffee 9mo agoSo wait - would this be something like... you trying to send a dickpic via WhateverMessenger, the content would be scanned first and you would be presented with a message along the lines of "This message cannot be sent as it violates our T&Cs"?
- imdsm 9mo agoscanned locally or externally? that's what i care about
- Phemist 9mo agoDon't buy into the framing. No scanning at all is what I care about.
- like_any_other 9mo agoDon't buy into that framing either. Optional scanning - if a user wants to, they are free to download government spyware onto their phone/computer and do all the scanning they want, local or otherwise. No new laws needed.
- rdm_blackhole 9mo agoI agree. If someone is happy for a government worker/algorithm to snoop through everything they send to anyone, feel free to opt in, just don't force us to participate.
- Natfan 9mo agoif it provably isn't networked and is ephemeral with no logging, then i potentially don't have an issue with it
- like_any_other 9mo agoYou have no issue with censorship, as long as there's no surveillance to go with it?
- Popeyes 9mo agoTech industry walked right into this one, well done Musk.
- mikkupikku 9mo agoUK government publicly making a fool of itself is probably not counter to the interests of Elon Musk at all... His political faction have been keen to insult the British government whenever possible. The more absurd their public enemies act, the more reasonable they look in comparison.
- flumpcakes 9mo agoMusk is implicitly allowing child pornography on his platform. There's no way around that. Apple/Google should have removed X a while ago.
- mikkupikku 9mo agoCome on now. That's obviously not true. CSAM is absolutely banned on twitter, and all other American platforms.
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- cjs_ac 9mo agoGrok AI generating child pornography has been a leading news story in the British press for the past few days.
- jpfromlondon 9mo agoto make the censorship more palatable to the general public.
- mikkupikku 9mo agoAll images uploaded to twitter, or any other lawful American social media platform, are perceptually hashed and checked against databases of known CSAM. Computer generated pornography, while obviously odious, is not technically illegal in the US. And in either case, twitter has been a dumping ground of such crap for as long as it has existed. In short, with all due respect, get a grip.
- miroljub 9mo agoSex Pistols are more actual than ever. God save the Queen The fascist regime It made you a moron Potential H-bomb God save the Queen She ain't no human being There is no future In England's dreaming Don't be told what you want to want to And don't be told what you want to need There's no future, no future No future for you
- mosura 9mo agoThey were also about the only people to call out Savile while he was alive. Actual abusers are fine. Talking about it is the problem.
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- imdsm 9mo ago> To meet the law’s demands, companies are expected to rely heavily on automated scanning systems, content detection algorithms, and artificial intelligence models trained to evaluate the legality of text, images, and videos in real time. this means either devices need to evolve to do this locally, or the items need to be sent to external service providers, usually based outside of the UK, to scan them unencrypted I also assume this means the government here in the UK are okay with all whatsapp messages they send to be sent to an LLM to scan them for legality, outside the UK?
- 6LLvveMx2koXfwn 9mo agoI understand the rage generated here, but what is the alternative? If a service implements privacy invading 'features' then we have the choice not to use that service. Letting tech companies self-regulate has failed, and too many people leave morality at the door when engaging online, something which doesn't happen at scale IRL. What are we to do if not monitor? And how to make that scalable if not to introduce automation?
- flumpcakes 9mo ago> Letting tech companies self-regulate has failed, and too many people leave morality at the door when engaging online, something which doesn't happen at scale IRL. I completely agree with this point. We also have some tech companies (X) openly hostile to the UK Government. At what point does a sovereign country say "you're harming the people here and refuse to change, you're blocked".
- cmxch 9mo agoWell, X seems to only be “hostile” in the sense that it airs the uncomfortable truths that the UK would rather not have heard.
- cft 9mo agoGoodbye all small independent forums with no AI budgets. An attacker posts a nude picture, 18m fine from OfCom ("whichever is larger", not proportional to revenue)
- flumpcakes 9mo agoI don't think the fine is automatic like that, it's more if you don't have an appropriate mechanism to manage it. In other words you need a content policy that is enforced. A mod who deletes nude pictures is probably enough to not get fined. I think the real issue is what I just said... "probably enough"; that's the real problem with the online safety act. People are mostly illiterate on the law, and now asking them to understand a complex law and implement it (even when the actual implementation is not that much effort or any effort at all for well run spaces) is the real issue.
- flumpcakes 9mo agoMost of these comments I think are off the mark. For some reason anything to do with EU or the UK legislating to protect citizenry is seen as some Orwellian conspiracy to mind control people. I agree some of the policies feel like always using a hammer - but I strongly suspect it's because the tech industry is clearly not playing ball. Children being sent dick pics, or AI generated nudes of them being sent around schools, etc. are real problems facing real normal people. I think people here need to be reminded that the average person doesn't care about technology. They will be happy for their phones to automatically block nude pictures by Government rule if the tech companies do not improve their social safety measures. This is the double edged sword: these same people are not tech savvy enough to lock down their children's phones, they expect it to be safe, they paid money for it to be "safe", and even if you lock a phone down, it doesn't stopped their class mates sending them AI porn of other class mates. Musk is living proof that a non zero number of these giant tech companies are happy for child porn ("fake" or not) to be posted on their platform. If I was in his shoes, it would be pretty high up on my list to make sure Grok isn't posting pornography. It's not hard to be a good person.
- HPsquared 9mo agoThe things you mention are already illegal. The effective proven solution is to enforce existing laws, to punish and deter bad behaviour like any other crime. This incongruence is why a lot of people don't take the reasoning at face value and see it as only rhetorical justification for increased surveillance, which is widely understood as something the state wants do do anyway.
- yladiz 9mo agoHow do you deal with a crime that isn’t reported due to things like shame? Not to say that we need to scan messages to enforce nudes not to be sent, but I don’t think you can say “just enforce existing laws” and be done with it, it’s not that simple.
- HPsquared 9mo agoThe externalities of this policy don't justify that small benefit.
- enderforth 9mo agoOkay, everyone here is talking about dick pics but let's be clear here the goal is >A major expansion of the UK’s Online Safety Act (OSA) has taken effect, legally obliging digital platforms to deploy surveillance-style systems that scan, detect, and block user content before it can be seen. Do we really believe that no government forever is not going to use this to prevent certain "misinformation" from circulating? And by misinformation we mean things like MPs breaking COVID lock down rules or "problematic" information about the PM being involved in a scandal, or the list is endless. Let's be clear this isn't at all and never has been about dick pics this is 100% about being able to control what you can see and share.
- rdm_blackhole 9mo agoI don't understand the downvotes that you are getting. There is a clear intent to muzzle the population that is going on in Europe with this new legislation and then with Chat control. Those who can't see that need to remove the blinders they have on. First, it's the nudes and then it's something else. Once there is a capability to filter what can be shared between two adults in private message, then can anyone say that any government is not going to come back for more and ask more and more things to be removed or censored?
- munksbeer 9mo ago> A major expansion of the UK’s Online Safety Act (OSA) has taken effect, legally obliging digital platforms to deploy surveillance-style systems that scan, detect, and block user content before it can be seen. If this is implemented as it reads, just a note to everyone else, everywhere in the world: For this policy to work, everything must be scanned. So now, every time you communicate with someone in the UK, your communications are no longer private.
- flumpcakes 9mo agoWell, yes, because it is designed to protect UK citizens. As much as GDPR applies "everywhere in the world" when interacting with EU citizens. Just as much as my communications are scanned when interacting with US citizens with PRISM. I'd argue that is exponentially more dangerous and nefarious given it's apparently illegality and (once) top secrecy.
- cheeseomlit 9mo ago>it is designed to protect UK citizens Is that really what it's designed for? And as far as the PRISM comparison goes, I'd rather mass surveillance not be done at all, but if it's being done no matter what I'd rather it be illegitimate than official policy. At least they have to jump through some hoops for parallel construction that way, and it doesn't normalize the practice as morally/socially acceptable- it's a "secret" because its embarrassing and shameful for it to exist in a "free" society. If its not a secret and nobody is ashamed of it then you dont even have the pretense of a free society anymore
- xethos 9mo agoIf it's done in the open they can be taken to court. When done in secret, the first challenge is when their defense attorney tells the prosecution to prove it even happens.
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- anal_reactor 9mo agoLiterally China
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