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Massive influx of green accounts to "correct" wrongthink in 3... 2... It's been so extreme lately.

by pixelpoet 9mo ago

zahlman 9mo ago
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- clipsy 9mo ago
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  - zahlman 9mo ago
    Here's some of the video, as part of a wider analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDda-L_ZOE8&t=5m56s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDda-L_ZOE8&t=5m56s At 6:55 (in slow motion) we see the officer in front of the car, recording with his own phone. 7:01, the car moves forward and the wheel can clearly be seen to spin as the car struggles to gain traction. There is a clear attempt to accelerate sharply. 7:23, some explanation: "As you can see, the officer has his gun out, the tires are still pointed directly at the officer, and the car is moving forward.... the officer is struck by the vehicle, which you cannot see from this angle." (But if you take the full speed video frame by frame, around 6:38 you can clearly see for multiple frames that the officer is taken off balance and takes a while to recover. Then there's more footage from in front of the car. At 7:53 you can see the impact plain as day. That's a CNN analyst saying: "Well, the slowed-down version is showing me that when the SUV pulls forward, they make contact with the agent in the street, and then immediately following that contact, you hear three gunshots follow." (Sound sync is an issue with video like this and it makes far more sense to me that the shots are concurrent with, or immediately before impact. They cannot feasibly be any kind of revenge for being hit because it would be utterly impossible to aim.) "Contact" is an understatement given the video; you can clearly see that the officer is leaning considerably forward over the hood of the SUV as a direct consequence of the impact. All of this is also corroborated by the officer's own cell phone footage, wherein he completely loses control of the camera as a consequence.
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- mindslight 9mo ago
  You can't start at the point where ICE had already needlessly and unlawfully performed multiple escalations. You have to look at the entire situation, where those escalations were clear retaliation for the victim exercising her Constitutionally-protected right to protest. The officer "in front" of the car had previously fucked around and found out about moving vehicles. He was positioned just off the quarter panel, which we can only assume was highly deliberate after the last incident - enough room to not get hit, but close enough to have a pretext to murder this woman. Regardless of how courts may judge legality (if they're even allowed to), this incident demonstrates a callous disregard for human life that is unacceptable for anybody who carries a gun, never mind supposed public servants.
  - zahlman 9mo ago
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    - mindslight 9mo ago
      She was not blocking traffic. Video of the street shows vehicles (including some that appear to be ICE) going by her just fine prior to the escalation, like regular city traffic with someone doing something weird. > And definitionally, it is only "murder" if a court finds it to be so through a correct application of the law Man, do you "people" all get your talking points from the same septic tank or what? You don't get to tone police the use of the word murder by saying we must only ever use one narrow legal definition. This whole situation has been debated to death, and I'm not going to respond to your shotgun blast of FUD line by line. Put simply, needlessly escalating situations so they're likely to result in death and mayhem is not the behavior we expect from real law enforcement officers - regardless of what their suspect may have done. In a society based around individual liberty and limited government, why you would chose to empathize with government agents rather than your own fellow citizen is beyond me. But my only real question is how many more Americans need to be killed before you admit that maybe us critics have a point?
      - fzeroracer 9mo ago
        > But my only real question is how many more Americans need to be killed before you admit that maybe us critics have a point? Unfortunately, they will never admit this, because either they believe every action by ICE is justified or they're straight up an agent of the government. It doesn't matter if you show them videos of ICE agents hitting protesters with their car and doing the exact thing they demonize [1], or if they walk up and assault people for using their first amendment rights [2], or if they spray people point blank with pepper spray [3] or if they ram people through red lights [4] or if they knee people in the face repeatedly when they're complying [5] or if they shove someone onto oncoming traffic and almost get them killed by a bus [6] or walking up to people and asking 'papers, please' [7]. They will conveniently disengage or shift the argument away. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Watch/comments/1pjye82/ice_agents_in_minneapolis_mn_hit_a_community/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Watch/comments/1pjye82/ice_agen... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb564f/minneapolis_bovino_leads_the_charge_on_protesters/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb564f/minnea... [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb88n3/ice_agent_in_minneapolis_point_blank_pepper/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb88n3/ice_ag... [4] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qaw2e9/ice_in_minneapolis_ramming_civilian_cars_through/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qaw2e9/ice_in... [5] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9p1dp/man_kneed_in_face_by_ice/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9p1dp/man_kn... [6] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9xczh/ice_pushes_man_into_oncoming_traffic/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9xczh/ice_pu... [7] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhB7g7LU0Wc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhB7g7LU0Wc

Massive influx of green accounts to "correct" wrongthink in 3... 2... It's been so extreme lately.

zahlman 9mo ago

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clipsy 9mo ago
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- zahlman 9mo ago
  Here's some of the video, as part of a wider analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDda-L_ZOE8&t=5m56s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDda-L_ZOE8&t=5m56s At 6:55 (in slow motion) we see the officer in front of the car, recording with his own phone. 7:01, the car moves forward and the wheel can clearly be seen to spin as the car struggles to gain traction. There is a clear attempt to accelerate sharply. 7:23, some explanation: "As you can see, the officer has his gun out, the tires are still pointed directly at the officer, and the car is moving forward.... the officer is struck by the vehicle, which you cannot see from this angle." (But if you take the full speed video frame by frame, around 6:38 you can clearly see for multiple frames that the officer is taken off balance and takes a while to recover. Then there's more footage from in front of the car. At 7:53 you can see the impact plain as day. That's a CNN analyst saying: "Well, the slowed-down version is showing me that when the SUV pulls forward, they make contact with the agent in the street, and then immediately following that contact, you hear three gunshots follow." (Sound sync is an issue with video like this and it makes far more sense to me that the shots are concurrent with, or immediately before impact. They cannot feasibly be any kind of revenge for being hit because it would be utterly impossible to aim.) "Contact" is an understatement given the video; you can clearly see that the officer is leaning considerably forward over the hood of the SUV as a direct consequence of the impact. All of this is also corroborated by the officer's own cell phone footage, wherein he completely loses control of the camera as a consequence.
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mindslight 9mo ago
You can't start at the point where ICE had already needlessly and unlawfully performed multiple escalations. You have to look at the entire situation, where those escalations were clear retaliation for the victim exercising her Constitutionally-protected right to protest. The officer "in front" of the car had previously fucked around and found out about moving vehicles. He was positioned just off the quarter panel, which we can only assume was highly deliberate after the last incident - enough room to not get hit, but close enough to have a pretext to murder this woman. Regardless of how courts may judge legality (if they're even allowed to), this incident demonstrates a callous disregard for human life that is unacceptable for anybody who carries a gun, never mind supposed public servants.
- zahlman 9mo ago
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  - mindslight 9mo ago
    She was not blocking traffic. Video of the street shows vehicles (including some that appear to be ICE) going by her just fine prior to the escalation, like regular city traffic with someone doing something weird. > And definitionally, it is only "murder" if a court finds it to be so through a correct application of the law Man, do you "people" all get your talking points from the same septic tank or what? You don't get to tone police the use of the word murder by saying we must only ever use one narrow legal definition. This whole situation has been debated to death, and I'm not going to respond to your shotgun blast of FUD line by line. Put simply, needlessly escalating situations so they're likely to result in death and mayhem is not the behavior we expect from real law enforcement officers - regardless of what their suspect may have done. In a society based around individual liberty and limited government, why you would chose to empathize with government agents rather than your own fellow citizen is beyond me. But my only real question is how many more Americans need to be killed before you admit that maybe us critics have a point?
    - fzeroracer 9mo ago
      > But my only real question is how many more Americans need to be killed before you admit that maybe us critics have a point? Unfortunately, they will never admit this, because either they believe every action by ICE is justified or they're straight up an agent of the government. It doesn't matter if you show them videos of ICE agents hitting protesters with their car and doing the exact thing they demonize [1], or if they walk up and assault people for using their first amendment rights [2], or if they spray people point blank with pepper spray [3] or if they ram people through red lights [4] or if they knee people in the face repeatedly when they're complying [5] or if they shove someone onto oncoming traffic and almost get them killed by a bus [6] or walking up to people and asking 'papers, please' [7]. They will conveniently disengage or shift the argument away. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Watch/comments/1pjye82/ice_agents_in_minneapolis_mn_hit_a_community/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Watch/comments/1pjye82/ice_agen... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb564f/minneapolis_bovino_leads_the_charge_on_protesters/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb564f/minnea... [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb88n3/ice_agent_in_minneapolis_point_blank_pepper/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb88n3/ice_ag... [4] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qaw2e9/ice_in_minneapolis_ramming_civilian_cars_through/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qaw2e9/ice_in... [5] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9p1dp/man_kneed_in_face_by_ice/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9p1dp/man_kn... [6] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9xczh/ice_pushes_man_into_oncoming_traffic/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9xczh/ice_pu... [7] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhB7g7LU0Wc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhB7g7LU0Wc