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Some do, some don't. The reality is there are some of us who truly just don't care. The convenience outweighs the negative. Yesterday I told an agent, "here's

by jjcm 9mo ago

Some do, some don't. The reality is there are some of us who truly just don't care. The convenience outweighs the negative. Yesterday I told an agent, "here's my api key and my root password - do it for me". Privacy has long since been dead, but at least for myself opsec for personal work is too.

hypfer 9mo ago
I mean eventually, some adversarial entity will use this complete lack of defenses to hurt even the most privileged people in some way, so. Unless of course they too turn to apathy and stop caring about being adversarial, but given the massive differences in quality of life between the west and the rest of the world, I'm not so sure about this. That is of course a purely probabilistic thing and with that hard to grasp on an emotional level. It also might not happen during ones own lifetime, but that's where children would usually come in. Though, yeah, yeah, it's HN. I know I know.
dcchambers 9mo ago
> The convenience outweighs the negative. Yesterday I told an agent, "here's my api key and my root password - do it for me". Does the security team at your company know you're doing this? Security as a whole is inconvenient. That doesn't mean we should ignore it.
keybored 9mo ago
HN is now where I get my daily does[1] of apathetic indifference/go with the flow attitude. [1] * dose
- koakuma-chan 9mo ago
  Is there a place where you get things that are greater and more noble than apathetic indifference/go with the flow attitude?
  - subsection1h 9mo ago
    The folks at the Qubes OS forum care about security, unlike the vast majority of HN users nowadays: https://forum.qubes-os.org/ https://forum.qubes-os.org/
- cindyllm 9mo ago
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- yoyohello13 9mo ago
  Sometimes I wonder how we got here. Data breaches everywhere, my 64gb of ram i7 workstation slowing to a crawl when opening a file browser, online privacy getting increasingly more impossible. Then I read HN and it all makes sense.
- falloutx 9mo ago
  This keeps getting worse everyday, people are now bragging that they don't care about privacy. I know HN is supposed to for wannabe Founders, but you would still expect them to have some guardrails. No wonder everyday we hear about Data leaks.
subsection1h 9mo ago
> Privacy has long since been dead, but at least for myself opsec for personal work is too. Hacker News in 2026.
- TeMPOraL 9mo ago
  Paranoia is justified if it actually serves some purpose. Staying paralyzed and not doing anything because Someone Is Reading Your Data is not serving much of anything. Hint: those Someones have better things to do. LLM vendors really don't care about your bank statements, and if they were ever in a position to look, they'd prefer not to have them, as it just creates legal and reputational risks for them.
  - bdangubic 9mo ago
    > as it just creates legal and reputational risks for them. Unfortunately I laughed reading this as there is never neither reputation nor legal consequences in the US of A. They can leak your entire life into my console including every account and every password you have and all PII of your entire family and literally nothing would happen… everything is stored somewhere and eventually will be used when “growth” is needed. some meaningless fines will be paid here and there but those bank statements will make their way to myriad of business that would drool to see them
    - TeMPOraL 9mo ago
      The issue of consequences of data leaks, though real and something I find outrageous, is orthogonal to this discussion. When talking about sending personal or sensitive data to AI companies, people are not worrying about data leaks - they're worrying about AI company doing some kind of Something to it, and Somehow profit off selling their underpants. (And yes, no one really says what that Something or Somehow may be, or how their underpants play into this.)
      - bdangubic 9mo ago
        sorry I did not mean leak, I meant “leak” people should 1,000,000% be worried about AI company doing something kind of something with it which they are doing as we speak and if not now will be profiting soon-ish
nearlyepic 9mo ago
> Privacy has long since been dead, but at least for myself opsec for personal work is too. This is such an incredibly loser attitude and is why we can't have nice things.
phero_cnstrcts 9mo ago
That’s just sad.
rester324 9mo ago
So are you proud of yourself? Or why are you advertising your negligence?
- itake 9mo ago
  "Move fast and break things" I could spend an extra 5 minutes doing it "right" or I can get what I need done and have a 0.001% chance of there ever being a problem (since there are other security measure in place, like firewalls, api key rotation, etc.) Even when security gaps are exploited, the fallout tends to be minimal. Companies that had their entire database of very sensitive information leaked are still growing users and at worst paid a tiny fine.
  - PessimalDecimal 9mo ago
    How many times do you have to roll the dice with .001% of disaster before it strikes? How often are you using the tool in this way?
    - nomagicbullet 9mo ago
      About 100,000 rolls on average. About 2.7 rolls per day for 100 years
  - raptorraver 9mo ago
    > Companies that had their entire database of very sensitive information leaked are still growing users and at worst paid a tiny fine. Or end up bankrupt with criminal charges for CEO: https://yle.fi/a/74-20027665 https://yle.fi/a/74-20027665
    - lossyalgo 9mo ago
      Bankrupt? I didn't read about any financial penalties in that article. The board fired him back in 2020 when they found out, and then he blamed 2 IT people. Instead, he got 3 months suspended sentence (in a Finnish jail, which is not exactly like a US jail). The company still exists btw.
einpoklum 9mo ago
> The reality is there are some of us who truly just don't care. I would challenge that, with the same challenge I've heard about how Microsoft and Google reading your email. The challenge is "ok, so can you please log me in to your mailbox and let me read through it?" It's not that people don't care, it's most that they've been led, or convinced, or manipulated, into failing to notice and realize this state of affairs.

by jjcm 9mo ago

hypfer 9mo ago

I mean eventually, some adversarial entity will use this complete lack of defenses to hurt even the most privileged people in some way, so. Unless of course they too turn to apathy and stop caring about being adversarial, but given the massive differences in quality of life between the west and the rest of the world, I'm not so sure about this. That is of course a purely probabilistic thing and with that hard to grasp on an emotional level. It also might not happen during ones own lifetime, but that's where children would usually come in. Though, yeah, yeah, it's HN. I know I know.

dcchambers 9mo ago

> The convenience outweighs the negative. Yesterday I told an agent, "here's my api key and my root password - do it for me". Does the security team at your company know you're doing this? Security as a whole is inconvenient. That doesn't mean we should ignore it.

keybored 9mo ago

HN is now where I get my daily does[1] of apathetic indifference/go with the flow attitude. [1] * dose

koakuma-chan 9mo ago
Is there a place where you get things that are greater and more noble than apathetic indifference/go with the flow attitude?
- subsection1h 9mo ago
  The folks at the Qubes OS forum care about security, unlike the vast majority of HN users nowadays: https://forum.qubes-os.org/ https://forum.qubes-os.org/
cindyllm 9mo ago
[dead]
yoyohello13 9mo ago
Sometimes I wonder how we got here. Data breaches everywhere, my 64gb of ram i7 workstation slowing to a crawl when opening a file browser, online privacy getting increasingly more impossible. Then I read HN and it all makes sense.
falloutx 9mo ago
This keeps getting worse everyday, people are now bragging that they don't care about privacy. I know HN is supposed to for wannabe Founders, but you would still expect them to have some guardrails. No wonder everyday we hear about Data leaks.

subsection1h 9mo ago

> Privacy has long since been dead, but at least for myself opsec for personal work is too. Hacker News in 2026.

TeMPOraL 9mo ago
Paranoia is justified if it actually serves some purpose. Staying paralyzed and not doing anything because Someone Is Reading Your Data is not serving much of anything. Hint: those Someones have better things to do. LLM vendors really don't care about your bank statements, and if they were ever in a position to look, they'd prefer not to have them, as it just creates legal and reputational risks for them.
- bdangubic 9mo ago
  > as it just creates legal and reputational risks for them. Unfortunately I laughed reading this as there is never neither reputation nor legal consequences in the US of A. They can leak your entire life into my console including every account and every password you have and all PII of your entire family and literally nothing would happen… everything is stored somewhere and eventually will be used when “growth” is needed. some meaningless fines will be paid here and there but those bank statements will make their way to myriad of business that would drool to see them
  - TeMPOraL 9mo ago
    The issue of consequences of data leaks, though real and something I find outrageous, is orthogonal to this discussion. When talking about sending personal or sensitive data to AI companies, people are not worrying about data leaks - they're worrying about AI company doing some kind of Something to it, and Somehow profit off selling their underpants. (And yes, no one really says what that Something or Somehow may be, or how their underpants play into this.)
    - bdangubic 9mo ago
      sorry I did not mean leak, I meant “leak” people should 1,000,000% be worried about AI company doing something kind of something with it which they are doing as we speak and if not now will be profiting soon-ish

nearlyepic 9mo ago

> Privacy has long since been dead, but at least for myself opsec for personal work is too. This is such an incredibly loser attitude and is why we can't have nice things.

phero_cnstrcts 9mo ago

That’s just sad.

rester324 9mo ago

So are you proud of yourself? Or why are you advertising your negligence?

itake 9mo ago
"Move fast and break things" I could spend an extra 5 minutes doing it "right" or I can get what I need done and have a 0.001% chance of there ever being a problem (since there are other security measure in place, like firewalls, api key rotation, etc.) Even when security gaps are exploited, the fallout tends to be minimal. Companies that had their entire database of very sensitive information leaked are still growing users and at worst paid a tiny fine.
- PessimalDecimal 9mo ago
  How many times do you have to roll the dice with .001% of disaster before it strikes? How often are you using the tool in this way?
  - nomagicbullet 9mo ago
    About 100,000 rolls on average. About 2.7 rolls per day for 100 years
- raptorraver 9mo ago
  > Companies that had their entire database of very sensitive information leaked are still growing users and at worst paid a tiny fine. Or end up bankrupt with criminal charges for CEO: https://yle.fi/a/74-20027665 https://yle.fi/a/74-20027665
  - lossyalgo 9mo ago
    Bankrupt? I didn't read about any financial penalties in that article. The board fired him back in 2020 when they found out, and then he blamed 2 IT people. Instead, he got 3 months suspended sentence (in a Finnish jail, which is not exactly like a US jail). The company still exists btw.

einpoklum 9mo ago

> The reality is there are some of us who truly just don't care. I would challenge that, with the same challenge I've heard about how Microsoft and Google reading your email. The challenge is "ok, so can you please log me in to your mailbox and let me read through it?" It's not that people don't care, it's most that they've been led, or convinced, or manipulated, into failing to notice and realize this state of affairs.