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I have been following this for many years. Nobody in England wanted him to be extradited. Most Americans seemed to be against extradition. The rest of the world

by jeswin 14y ago

I have been following this for many years. Nobody in England wanted him to be extradited. Most Americans seemed to be against extradition. The rest of the world didn't want it either. I am surprised this went on for so long. EDIT: My bad. UK, not England!

RobAley 14y ago
I'm not. They had to make sure they could get some terrorists and bankers extradited before they could cave on this and change the rules.
- hackerboos 14y ago
  Alleged 'terrorists'. The extradition treaty means we never got to see the evidence.
  - RobAley 14y ago
    Apologies, I was being slightly sarcastic, they were indeed only alleged criminals . The bankers were proven bankers, which isn't usually a crime (though at times perhaps should be), and also hadn't been found guilty in a court of law. Edit: Apologies to bankers everywhere and their supporters, sarcasm turned off for the rest of the day.
    - alexchamberlain 14y ago
      Look some bankers have made some mistakes. I'm sure you were lovely to the one that offered you a mortgage. What about the one that sold that mortgage as part of a pool to another so they could offer your neighbour a mortgage? We need bankers...
      - RobAley 14y ago
        Yeah, I was being sarcastic and generalising for effect. That said, I was pretty harsh to the one that sold me a mortgage, her incompetence at completing the paperwork and delays nearly cost me the chance to buy my house. In general most of my interactions with bank staff have been poor or at least just adequate. I've never had a particularly "good" experience with one. I keep using them, because as you say, we need them. Well, we need bankers. Just perhaps not the ones we've got.
      - cantankerous 14y ago
        Well we need the financial instruments at least. If there were a way to get all that stuff without all the banker aftertaste, I'd be interested. I'd be totally cool with a system that just went entirely by the numbers and I logged on the Internet to ask for a mortgage based on my credit score. Naturally we might need a more objective (and open) credit score system for that among a host of other things, but hey I can dream.
      - Zenst 14y ago
        When everything in live resolves around money then you will always blame the dealer. Just how things go. It is when goverments repocess the banks is when you truely worry. Also people blame banks in general as they don't feel they have learned there leasons, yet at the same time complain they can't borrow more money. We do need bankers, they also need us.
    - Zenst 14y ago
      I understand what your implying about the time factor in this. Week after we got somebody extradited, who we all wanted extradited, so yeah, funny that. But common sence does seem to be prevailing, albeit in a sloooow way. Remember bankers are people too, they also have the power to be as stupid as any other person. Just a bit more impacting upon mine and yours pockets compared to somebody logging into a insecure system over 10 years ago and hurting nobody else accept there pride.
      - rhizome 14y ago
        I'm not sure internal controls fraud and signing off on SarbOx violations qualifies as "the power to be stupid."
  - Zenst 14y ago
    Alleged `evidence` without being ironic.
Colliwinks 14y ago
"Nobody in England" Or Scotland, where he's from.
- andrewcooke 14y ago
  and yet, ironically, if it had been an englishman, anything unpleasant would have been cheered on by the scots (for those who are unaware - casual anti-english 'racism' is absolutely common, accepted, unquestioned). i lived and worked in scotland for a couple of years.
  - mvc 14y ago
    Attention to detail? Baaaaad. Generalizing entire nations? Gooood
  - jamescun 14y ago
    Scot here. Majority of that "anti-english" racism would have been in gest, part of the banter. I've moved around several parts of Scotland and can confirm that it is just part of the humour landscape. Most Scottish people have no problem with England or English people. (I understand the media's portrayal of the independence debate may sully this, but independence it about more than getting away from England 305 years later). British people could be held to the same standard in our treatment of Germany with a constant berating of WWII jokes, however we in-fact have no issue with Germany and realise it was a long time ago.
    - hobbes 14y ago
      English guy here, living in Scotland. I personally don't take offence at the anti-English banter. But, I challenge you to engage in the same kind of banter with Asians, blacks, or homosexuals, etc, and let me know how that pans out for you. Is there a material difference, apart from the fact that English people don't take offence? In my opinion, anti-English statements don't really offend because a sense of Englishness is felt much less by an Englishman compared to how a Scot would feel his/her Scottishness. We're just not a very nationalistic buch. I do agree that most Scottish people have no problem with English folk. On a personal level, it is just "banter". The more distateful sentiments are aimed at England as a nation, as far as I have experienced.

by jeswin 14y ago

RobAley 14y ago

I'm not. They had to make sure they could get some terrorists and bankers extradited before they could cave on this and change the rules.

hackerboos 14y ago
Alleged 'terrorists'. The extradition treaty means we never got to see the evidence.
- RobAley 14y ago
  Apologies, I was being slightly sarcastic, they were indeed only alleged criminals . The bankers were proven bankers, which isn't usually a crime (though at times perhaps should be), and also hadn't been found guilty in a court of law. Edit: Apologies to bankers everywhere and their supporters, sarcasm turned off for the rest of the day.
  - alexchamberlain 14y ago
    Look some bankers have made some mistakes. I'm sure you were lovely to the one that offered you a mortgage. What about the one that sold that mortgage as part of a pool to another so they could offer your neighbour a mortgage? We need bankers...
    - RobAley 14y ago
      Yeah, I was being sarcastic and generalising for effect. That said, I was pretty harsh to the one that sold me a mortgage, her incompetence at completing the paperwork and delays nearly cost me the chance to buy my house. In general most of my interactions with bank staff have been poor or at least just adequate. I've never had a particularly "good" experience with one. I keep using them, because as you say, we need them. Well, we need bankers. Just perhaps not the ones we've got.
    - cantankerous 14y ago
      Well we need the financial instruments at least. If there were a way to get all that stuff without all the banker aftertaste, I'd be interested. I'd be totally cool with a system that just went entirely by the numbers and I logged on the Internet to ask for a mortgage based on my credit score. Naturally we might need a more objective (and open) credit score system for that among a host of other things, but hey I can dream.
    - Zenst 14y ago
      When everything in live resolves around money then you will always blame the dealer. Just how things go. It is when goverments repocess the banks is when you truely worry. Also people blame banks in general as they don't feel they have learned there leasons, yet at the same time complain they can't borrow more money. We do need bankers, they also need us.
  - Zenst 14y ago
    I understand what your implying about the time factor in this. Week after we got somebody extradited, who we all wanted extradited, so yeah, funny that. But common sence does seem to be prevailing, albeit in a sloooow way. Remember bankers are people too, they also have the power to be as stupid as any other person. Just a bit more impacting upon mine and yours pockets compared to somebody logging into a insecure system over 10 years ago and hurting nobody else accept there pride.
    - rhizome 14y ago
      I'm not sure internal controls fraud and signing off on SarbOx violations qualifies as "the power to be stupid."
- Zenst 14y ago
  Alleged `evidence` without being ironic.

Colliwinks 14y ago

"Nobody in England" Or Scotland, where he's from.

andrewcooke 14y ago
and yet, ironically, if it had been an englishman, anything unpleasant would have been cheered on by the scots (for those who are unaware - casual anti-english 'racism' is absolutely common, accepted, unquestioned). i lived and worked in scotland for a couple of years.
- mvc 14y ago
  Attention to detail? Baaaaad. Generalizing entire nations? Gooood
- jamescun 14y ago
  Scot here. Majority of that "anti-english" racism would have been in gest, part of the banter. I've moved around several parts of Scotland and can confirm that it is just part of the humour landscape. Most Scottish people have no problem with England or English people. (I understand the media's portrayal of the independence debate may sully this, but independence it about more than getting away from England 305 years later). British people could be held to the same standard in our treatment of Germany with a constant berating of WWII jokes, however we in-fact have no issue with Germany and realise it was a long time ago.
  - hobbes 14y ago
    English guy here, living in Scotland. I personally don't take offence at the anti-English banter. But, I challenge you to engage in the same kind of banter with Asians, blacks, or homosexuals, etc, and let me know how that pans out for you. Is there a material difference, apart from the fact that English people don't take offence? In my opinion, anti-English statements don't really offend because a sense of Englishness is felt much less by an Englishman compared to how a Scot would feel his/her Scottishness. We're just not a very nationalistic buch. I do agree that most Scottish people have no problem with English folk. On a personal level, it is just "banter". The more distateful sentiments are aimed at England as a nation, as far as I have experienced.