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People do realize that if they're doing this, they're not feeding "just" code into some probably logging cloud API but literally anything (including, as mention
by hypfer 9mo ago
People do realize that if they're doing this, they're not feeding "just" code into some probably logging cloud API but literally anything (including, as mentioned here, bank statements), right?
Right?
RIGHT??????
Are you sure that you need to grant the cloud full access to your desktop + all of its content to sort elements alphabetically?
- TIPSIO 9mo agoHave you ever used any Anthropic AI product? You cannot literally do anything without big permissions, warnings, or annoying always-on popup warning you about safety.
- hypfer 9mo agoNo, of course not. Well.. apart from their API. That is a useful thing. But you're missing the point. It is doing all this stuff with user consent, yes. It's just that the user fundamentally cannot provide informed consent as they seem to be out of their minds. So yeah, technically, all those compliance checkboxes are ticked. That's just entirely irrelevant to the point I am making.
- Wowfunhappy 9mo ago> It's just that the user fundamentally cannot provide informed consent The user is an adult. They are capable of consenting to whatever they want, no matter how irrational it may look to you.
- hypfer 9mo agoUh, yes? What does that refute?
- Wowfunhappy 9mo agoYou just said the user is incapable of providing informed consent. In any context, I really dislike software that prevents me from doing something dangerous in order to "protect" me. That's how we get iOS. The user is an adult, they can consent to this if they want to. If Anthropic is using dark patterns to trick them that's a different story--that wouldn't be informed consent--but I don't think that's happening here?
- hypfer 9mo agoThis is not about if people should be allowed to harm themselves though. Legally, yes. Yes, everyone can do that. The question though is if that is a good thing. Do we just want to look away when large orgs benefit from people not realizing that they're doing self-harm? Do we want to ignore the larger societal implications of this? If you want to delete your rootfs, be my guest. I just won't be cheering for a corp that tells you that you're brilliant and absolutely right for doing so. I believe it's a bad thing to frame this as a conflict between individual freedom and protecting the weak(est) parts of society. I don't think that anything good can come out of seeing the world that way.
- sethammons 9mo agoNo single rain drop feels it is to be blamed for the flood.
- raesene9 9mo agoClaude code has a YOLO mode, and from what I've seen a lot of heavy users, use it. Fundamentally any security mechanism which relies on users to read and intelligently respond to approval prompts is doomed to fail over time, even if the prompts are well designed. Approval fatigue will kick in and people will just start either clicking through without reading, or prefer systems that let them disable the warnings (just as YOLO mode is a thing in Claude code)
- AstroBen 9mo agoWhen choosing between convenience and privacy, most people seem to choose convenience
- TeMPOraL 9mo agoObviously. Those who chose otherwise have all died out long ago, starving to death in their own apartments, afraid that someone might see them if they ever went outside.
- majorbugger 9mo agoNice rage baiting there bro
- xpe 9mo ago> When choosing between convenience and privacy, most people seem to choose convenience But they wish it would have been convenient to choose privacy. For many, it may be rational to give away privacy for convenience. But many recognize the current decision space as suboptimal. Remember smoke-infused restaurants? Opting out meant not going in at all. It was an experience that came home with you. And lingered. It took a tipping point to "flip" the default. [1] [1]: The Public Demand for Smoking Bans https://econpapers.repec.org/article/kappubcho/v_3a88_3ay_3a1996_3ai_3a1-2_3ap_3a57-67.htm https://econpapers.repec.org/article/kappubcho/v_3a88_3ay_3a... "Because smoking bans shift ownership of scarce resources, they are also hypothesized to transfer income from one party (smokers) to another party (nonsmokers)."
- jjcm 9mo agoSome do, some don't. The reality is there are some of us who truly just don't care. The convenience outweighs the negative. Yesterday I told an agent, "here's my api key and my root password - do it for me". Privacy has long since been dead, but at least for myself opsec for personal work is too.
- hypfer 9mo agoI mean eventually, some adversarial entity will use this complete lack of defenses to hurt even the most privileged people in some way, so. Unless of course they too turn to apathy and stop caring about being adversarial, but given the massive differences in quality of life between the west and the rest of the world, I'm not so sure about this. That is of course a purely probabilistic thing and with that hard to grasp on an emotional level. It also might not happen during ones own lifetime, but that's where children would usually come in. Though, yeah, yeah, it's HN. I know I know.
- dcchambers 9mo ago> The convenience outweighs the negative. Yesterday I told an agent, "here's my api key and my root password - do it for me". Does the security team at your company know you're doing this? Security as a whole is inconvenient. That doesn't mean we should ignore it.
- keybored 9mo agoHN is now where I get my daily does[1] of apathetic indifference/go with the flow attitude. [1] * dose
- koakuma-chan 9mo agoIs there a place where you get things that are greater and more noble than apathetic indifference/go with the flow attitude?
- subsection1h 9mo agoThe folks at the Qubes OS forum care about security, unlike the vast majority of HN users nowadays: https://forum.qubes-os.org/ https://forum.qubes-os.org/
- motoboi 9mo agoI have my bank statements on a drive on a cloud. We are way past that phase.
- koakuma-chan 9mo agoI send my bank statements to Gemini to analyze. It's not like bank statements contain anything too sensitive.
- lobsterthief 9mo agoSome of them stupidly print the account number on them. I mean, we do had out our account and routing number to people on checks, but we don’t give checks to the entire Internet.
- subsection1h 9mo agoWTF. I have a separate computer solely for personal finance, domain registration, DNS management, and the associated email account. If I didn't use multiple computers this way, I'd go back to using Qubes OS.
- LeafItAlone 9mo agoWhat! How can you be so insecure with your data?! You’re willing to upload a file you downloaded from a cloud service to a different cloud service? The horror!! This is exactly what I expect out of… Sorry, got interrupted by an email saying my bank was involved in a security incident.
- hahahahhaah 9mo agoShip has sailed. I have my deepest secrets in Gmail and Docs. We need big tech to make this secure as possible from threats. Scammers and nations alike.
- fragmede 9mo agoBut I don't want alphabetical. Alphabetical is just a known sort order so I can find the file I want. How about it sorts by "this is the file you're looking for"?
- waterTanuki 9mo agoThere has to be a way to set permissions right? The demo video they provided doesn't even need permission to read file contents, just read the file titles and sort them into folders based on that. It would be a win-win anyways, less tokens going into Claude -> lower bill for customer, more privacy, and more compute available to Anthropic to process more heavy workloads.
- 1899-12-30 9mo agoI pray for whoever has to review the slop I've generated.
- m463 9mo agov-- click! [ACCEPT] [CANCEL]