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That sounds like you have an overly shitty ‘smart’ TV. Plenty of external devices (I’m partial to AppleTV) have no significant lag. Or it could be you’re using

by brk 9mo ago

That sounds like you have an overly shitty ‘smart’ TV. Plenty of external devices (I’m partial to AppleTV) have no significant lag. Or it could be you’re using some niche service that has its own issues.

no_wizard 9mo ago
It’s a matter of time before tv manufacturers start requiring an app to sync with the TV to set it up. That would let them glean information about you every time you use said app. You’re still getting around this with a 3rd party device like an Apple TV for the most part but if it’s required to even turn it off or on it’ll be enough to sync any metadata that it holds
- pletnes 9mo ago
  My samsung did this years ago. Not sure if it was truly required but I’d say this has happened.
- ggus 9mo ago
  My LG does just that. The tv remote sensor stopped working (and broke again after servicing), so now the only way to use the TV is by the LG app on my phone.. which asks for permissions to Nearby Devices, Location, Camera, Microphone, Notifications, Phone, Music&Audio...
  - Melatonic 9mo ago
    Lots of good generic remotes out there (still using a Logitech harmony personally)
kenjackson 9mo ago
External devices like AppleTV, Roku or Xboxes are responsive. It’s the actual TV UI that tends to be very slow and laggy.
- akagr 9mo ago
  My Sony TV has android and is fairly responsive. Maybe a second lag, but definitely not 10-20 secs. I do need to give it time to “warm up” when I start it, though. I use it so rarely it’s generally turned off from wall outlet. I still prefer Apple TV for various reasons, though, responsiveness being one of them.
  - ori_b 9mo ago
    Maybe a second lag Even a second lag is insane. I don't understand how people tolerate that.
    - johnisgood 9mo ago
      They do not know any better, I suppose. Reading these threads just makes me wonder: if you guys have so many problems, why do you not torrent?
      - usrnm 9mo ago
        Torrenting is easy, but what are you goung to do with the torrented files then? Without additional external hardware you probably won't be able to play your downloaded files on your large TV, and most people prefer a laggy simple route over having to do more work. I do torrent from time to time, but the hassle associated with the whole process really highlights why streaming apps took over.
        ioseph 9mo ago
        What additional hardware? If you're torrenting you have a PC or laptop, plug said device into your TV and you're good to go
        BobaFloutist 9mo ago
        Are you finding and setting up a remote that works on your PC/Laptop, or are you getting up every time you want to change shows or play/pause?
al_borland 9mo ago
I’m using an AppleTV HD with Peacock and it’s pretty bad. I wouldn’t consider NBC a niche service. After an episode ends, I need to wait for the new one to start to be sure it marks the last one as watched. When going back to the main screen, it can take upwards of 30 seconds, maybe more (it feels like an eternity), for the “watch next” to update. If I don’t wait for it to update, it will start playing an old episode the next time I try to launch it. This lag also persists over app switching. So if I stop watching a show, switch to something else for a while, then go back to Peacock and quickly go into the series I was watching, it will play old stuff. Even switching between 2 series in my currently watching list can take an exceedingly long time. Sometimes I try to switch back and forth to force and update and it feels like I’m back on 56K. The Apple TV HD is old, technically legacy, but still supports tvOS 26. I have an Apple TV 4K in the house as well, which I’ve been meaning to migrate to, to see if it’s any better. But the HD works fine for pretty much everything else. Peacock as a service seems to have an extreme amount of lag.
- llimllib 9mo ago
  Yes I think the device itself is fine, but the Apple TV apps are mostly terrible and often very laggy/poorly written. The way developers use the UI toolkit that the Apple TV provides also seems to tend towards apps where it's very difficult to figure out what's the active selection, which is of course _the_ critical challenge.
  - Reason077 9mo ago
    The issue here is that the app developers design & test for the latest Apple TV 4K models, which have about 10X the performance (and 2-4X the RAM) compared to the old HD models. Apple left a large generational gap because they kept selling the HD for many years (until 2022) as an entry-level device alongside much more capable 4K models. > ”it's very difficult to figure out what's the active selection” Yes, based on my observation this seems to be one of the biggest challenges people face with the AppleTV interface, along with accidentally changing the selection when they try to select it (because of the sensitive touch controls on the remote).
naravara 9mo ago
The AppleTV is best in class sure but by the standards of older, pre-internet technology the lag is noticeable. The UI itself is smooth, but any time it makes a network call (which it does for damn near everything) it can take some amount of time. And once you introduce receivers and HDMI-ARC and auto switching and frame-rate differences between applications the whole thing just fucking sucks. It’s constantly turning off and on and has sound cutting out and back on. And that’s assuming the apps are well written, which they are not.
- lostlogin 9mo ago
  > sound cutting out and back on. Absolutely kills me. No one else in the house notices when sound is from the shitbox tv speakers rather than the soundbar. It’s a high end Sony, and it’s sound quality is shameful. Can we sacrifice a few cm of thinness and have some sound?
  - thfuran 9mo ago
    I'd rather have a big monitor with no network connectivity or speakers.
  - naravara 9mo ago
    One of my proudest moments as a father came when we were staying in a hotel and my 4-year old son remarks “Daddy, why does nothing sound as good as it does at home?” FINALLY! Someone appreciates what I do!
maccard 9mo ago
My television has a > 5 second lag on bringing up the input device selection. The buttons don’t actually respond when the menu appears, it’s about a second after that before they work
array_key_first 9mo ago
Part of it is the displays themselves. Some have unbelievably bad response times. I've seen 2 seconds multiple times. Makes gaming impossible.

by brk 9mo ago

no_wizard 9mo ago

It’s a matter of time before tv manufacturers start requiring an app to sync with the TV to set it up. That would let them glean information about you every time you use said app. You’re still getting around this with a 3rd party device like an Apple TV for the most part but if it’s required to even turn it off or on it’ll be enough to sync any metadata that it holds

pletnes 9mo ago
My samsung did this years ago. Not sure if it was truly required but I’d say this has happened.
ggus 9mo ago
My LG does just that. The tv remote sensor stopped working (and broke again after servicing), so now the only way to use the TV is by the LG app on my phone.. which asks for permissions to Nearby Devices, Location, Camera, Microphone, Notifications, Phone, Music&Audio...
- Melatonic 9mo ago
  Lots of good generic remotes out there (still using a Logitech harmony personally)

kenjackson 9mo ago

External devices like AppleTV, Roku or Xboxes are responsive. It’s the actual TV UI that tends to be very slow and laggy.

akagr 9mo ago
My Sony TV has android and is fairly responsive. Maybe a second lag, but definitely not 10-20 secs. I do need to give it time to “warm up” when I start it, though. I use it so rarely it’s generally turned off from wall outlet. I still prefer Apple TV for various reasons, though, responsiveness being one of them.
- ori_b 9mo ago
  Maybe a second lag Even a second lag is insane. I don't understand how people tolerate that.
  - johnisgood 9mo ago
    They do not know any better, I suppose. Reading these threads just makes me wonder: if you guys have so many problems, why do you not torrent?
    - usrnm 9mo ago
      Torrenting is easy, but what are you goung to do with the torrented files then? Without additional external hardware you probably won't be able to play your downloaded files on your large TV, and most people prefer a laggy simple route over having to do more work. I do torrent from time to time, but the hassle associated with the whole process really highlights why streaming apps took over.
      - ioseph 9mo ago
        What additional hardware? If you're torrenting you have a PC or laptop, plug said device into your TV and you're good to go
        BobaFloutist 9mo ago
        Are you finding and setting up a remote that works on your PC/Laptop, or are you getting up every time you want to change shows or play/pause?

al_borland 9mo ago

I’m using an AppleTV HD with Peacock and it’s pretty bad. I wouldn’t consider NBC a niche service. After an episode ends, I need to wait for the new one to start to be sure it marks the last one as watched. When going back to the main screen, it can take upwards of 30 seconds, maybe more (it feels like an eternity), for the “watch next” to update. If I don’t wait for it to update, it will start playing an old episode the next time I try to launch it. This lag also persists over app switching. So if I stop watching a show, switch to something else for a while, then go back to Peacock and quickly go into the series I was watching, it will play old stuff. Even switching between 2 series in my currently watching list can take an exceedingly long time. Sometimes I try to switch back and forth to force and update and it feels like I’m back on 56K. The Apple TV HD is old, technically legacy, but still supports tvOS 26. I have an Apple TV 4K in the house as well, which I’ve been meaning to migrate to, to see if it’s any better. But the HD works fine for pretty much everything else. Peacock as a service seems to have an extreme amount of lag.

llimllib 9mo ago
Yes I think the device itself is fine, but the Apple TV apps are mostly terrible and often very laggy/poorly written. The way developers use the UI toolkit that the Apple TV provides also seems to tend towards apps where it's very difficult to figure out what's the active selection, which is of course _the_ critical challenge.
- Reason077 9mo ago
  The issue here is that the app developers design & test for the latest Apple TV 4K models, which have about 10X the performance (and 2-4X the RAM) compared to the old HD models. Apple left a large generational gap because they kept selling the HD for many years (until 2022) as an entry-level device alongside much more capable 4K models. > ”it's very difficult to figure out what's the active selection” Yes, based on my observation this seems to be one of the biggest challenges people face with the AppleTV interface, along with accidentally changing the selection when they try to select it (because of the sensitive touch controls on the remote).

naravara 9mo ago

The AppleTV is best in class sure but by the standards of older, pre-internet technology the lag is noticeable. The UI itself is smooth, but any time it makes a network call (which it does for damn near everything) it can take some amount of time. And once you introduce receivers and HDMI-ARC and auto switching and frame-rate differences between applications the whole thing just fucking sucks. It’s constantly turning off and on and has sound cutting out and back on. And that’s assuming the apps are well written, which they are not.

lostlogin 9mo ago
> sound cutting out and back on. Absolutely kills me. No one else in the house notices when sound is from the shitbox tv speakers rather than the soundbar. It’s a high end Sony, and it’s sound quality is shameful. Can we sacrifice a few cm of thinness and have some sound?
- thfuran 9mo ago
  I'd rather have a big monitor with no network connectivity or speakers.
- naravara 9mo ago
  One of my proudest moments as a father came when we were staying in a hotel and my 4-year old son remarks “Daddy, why does nothing sound as good as it does at home?” FINALLY! Someone appreciates what I do!

maccard 9mo ago

My television has a > 5 second lag on bringing up the input device selection. The buttons don’t actually respond when the menu appears, it’s about a second after that before they work

array_key_first 9mo ago

Part of it is the displays themselves. Some have unbelievably bad response times. I've seen 2 seconds multiple times. Makes gaming impossible.