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I don't think that a language that was meant to compete with C++ and in 10+ years hasn't captured 10% of C++'s (already diminished) market share could be said t

by pron 10mo ago

I don't think that a language that was meant to compete with C++ and in 10+ years hasn't captured 10% of C++'s (already diminished) market share could be said to have become "kind of the default" for anything (and certainly not when that requires generalising from n≅1).

anal_reactor 10mo ago
The problem is that the number of browser engines is n=2.
- drnick1 10mo ago
  Interestingly, Ladybird, which aims at being the n = 3, is also written in C++.
  - drannex 10mo ago
    Ladybird is in the process of switching over to Swift, and has been for a little over a year now. Not linking to the pedophilic nazi-site, and as Nitter is dead-ish, here is the full-text announcement archived on tildes: https://tildes.net/~comp/1j7m/ladybird_chooses_swift_as_its_successor_language_to_c https://tildes.net/~comp/1j7m/ladybird_chooses_swift_as_its_...
pjmlp 10mo ago
It has for Amazon, Adobe, Microsoft, Google and the Linux kernel. It remains to be seen which big name will make Zig unavoidable.
- surajrmal 10mo ago
  While certain teams within Google are using rust by default, I'm not sure rust is anywhere close in scale for new lines of code committed per week to c++.
  - paavohtl 10mo ago
    For Android specifically, by Q3 of last year more new lines of Rust were being added per week than new lines of C++: https://security.googleblog.com/2025/11/rust-in-android-move-fast-fix-things.html https://security.googleblog.com/2025/11/rust-in-android-move...
    - surajrmal 10mo ago
      Sure and android is a small part of Google. Everyone in ads, search, cloud are still predominantly c++ (or something higher level like Java). Rust is gaining momentum but overall it's still small.
- pron 10mo ago
  > It has for Amazon, Adobe, Microsoft, Google and the Linux kernel. I don't think so. I don't know about Adobe, but it's not a meaningful statement for the rest. Those companies default to writing safe code in languages other than Rust, and the Linux kernel defaults to unsafe code in C. BTW, languages favoured by those projects/companies do not reliably represent industry-wide preferences, let alone defaults. You could certainly say that of the two languages accepted so far in the Linux kernel, the only safe one is Rust, but there's hardly any "default" there. > It remains to be seen which big name will make Zig unavoidable. I have no idea whether or not Zig will ever be successful, but at this point it's pretty clear that Rust's success has been less than modest at best.
  - pjmlp 10mo ago
    It is a clear mandate on those companies that whatever used to be C or C++, should be written in Rust for green field development. Whatever could be done in programming languages with automatic memory management was already being done. Anyone deploying serverless code into Amazon instances is running of top of Firecracker, my phone has Rust code running on it, and whatever Windows 11 draws something into the screen, it goes through Rust rewrite of the GDI regions logic, all the Azure networking traffic going through Azure Boost cards does so via Rust firmware. Adobe is the sponsor for the Hylo programming language, and key figures in the C++ community, are doing Rust talks nowadays. "Adobe’s memory safety roadmap: Securing creativity by design" https://blog.adobe.com/security/adobes-memory-safety-roadmap-securing-creativity-by-design https://blog.adobe.com/security/adobes-memory-safety-roadmap... Any hobby language author would like to have 1% of the said modest Rust's success, I really don't get the continuous downplay of such achievement.
    - bluecalm 10mo ago
      >>It is a clear mandate on those companies that whatever used to be C or C++, should be written in Rust for green field development. >>Any hobby language author would like to have 1% of the said modest Rust's success, I really don't get the continuous downplay of such achievement. This is a political achievement, not technical one. People are bitter about it as it doesn't feel organic and feel pushed onto them.

by pron 10mo ago

anal_reactor 10mo ago

The problem is that the number of browser engines is n=2.

drnick1 10mo ago
Interestingly, Ladybird, which aims at being the n = 3, is also written in C++.
- drannex 10mo ago
  Ladybird is in the process of switching over to Swift, and has been for a little over a year now. Not linking to the pedophilic nazi-site, and as Nitter is dead-ish, here is the full-text announcement archived on tildes: https://tildes.net/~comp/1j7m/ladybird_chooses_swift_as_its_successor_language_to_c https://tildes.net/~comp/1j7m/ladybird_chooses_swift_as_its_...

pjmlp 10mo ago

It has for Amazon, Adobe, Microsoft, Google and the Linux kernel. It remains to be seen which big name will make Zig unavoidable.

surajrmal 10mo ago
While certain teams within Google are using rust by default, I'm not sure rust is anywhere close in scale for new lines of code committed per week to c++.
- paavohtl 10mo ago
  For Android specifically, by Q3 of last year more new lines of Rust were being added per week than new lines of C++: https://security.googleblog.com/2025/11/rust-in-android-move-fast-fix-things.html https://security.googleblog.com/2025/11/rust-in-android-move...
  - surajrmal 10mo ago
    Sure and android is a small part of Google. Everyone in ads, search, cloud are still predominantly c++ (or something higher level like Java). Rust is gaining momentum but overall it's still small.
pron 10mo ago
> It has for Amazon, Adobe, Microsoft, Google and the Linux kernel. I don't think so. I don't know about Adobe, but it's not a meaningful statement for the rest. Those companies default to writing safe code in languages other than Rust, and the Linux kernel defaults to unsafe code in C. BTW, languages favoured by those projects/companies do not reliably represent industry-wide preferences, let alone defaults. You could certainly say that of the two languages accepted so far in the Linux kernel, the only safe one is Rust, but there's hardly any "default" there. > It remains to be seen which big name will make Zig unavoidable. I have no idea whether or not Zig will ever be successful, but at this point it's pretty clear that Rust's success has been less than modest at best.
- pjmlp 10mo ago
  It is a clear mandate on those companies that whatever used to be C or C++, should be written in Rust for green field development. Whatever could be done in programming languages with automatic memory management was already being done. Anyone deploying serverless code into Amazon instances is running of top of Firecracker, my phone has Rust code running on it, and whatever Windows 11 draws something into the screen, it goes through Rust rewrite of the GDI regions logic, all the Azure networking traffic going through Azure Boost cards does so via Rust firmware. Adobe is the sponsor for the Hylo programming language, and key figures in the C++ community, are doing Rust talks nowadays. "Adobe’s memory safety roadmap: Securing creativity by design" https://blog.adobe.com/security/adobes-memory-safety-roadmap-securing-creativity-by-design https://blog.adobe.com/security/adobes-memory-safety-roadmap... Any hobby language author would like to have 1% of the said modest Rust's success, I really don't get the continuous downplay of such achievement.
  - bluecalm 10mo ago
    >>It is a clear mandate on those companies that whatever used to be C or C++, should be written in Rust for green field development. >>Any hobby language author would like to have 1% of the said modest Rust's success, I really don't get the continuous downplay of such achievement. This is a political achievement, not technical one. People are bitter about it as it doesn't feel organic and feel pushed onto them.