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Ai, Japanese chimpanzee who counted and painted dies at 49
- _jplc 10mo agoHey universe, when people is asking for the end of AI, they don't mean this.
- mrintegrity 10mo agoWould love to see some of his paintings, let me just google "AI chimp painting" .. oh..
- fyltr 10mo agoThere are some of them in this article https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10329-017-0604-0 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10329-017-0604-0
- mrintegrity 10mo agoThanks, they seem like more than just random splashes of color.. possibly I'm anthropomorphising but it feels like it was straining to draw something specific like a young child would.
- baxtr 10mo agoIt’s hardly distinguishable from modern art though!
- shevy-java 10mo agoYes, same with Koko. I think they do not fully understand art and abstraction, nor profits made by good art. It is too abstract. They can, however had, understand sign language and symbol language, and basically that art is also an abstraction. Will probably take a while before we can identify abstract art by apes.
- falloutx 10mo agoHey, she did her best.
- c22 10mo agoI agree there is intent there, but it doesn't look like an effort to draw a still life, more like the chimp was fascinated with the patterns and techniques it could manipulate.
- numpad0 10mo agoI've found another[1] on a blog post[2], captioned as follows: Frontispiece 1. Art drawn by chimpanzee Ai using sharpies(Saito, 2008)[p.19] Frontispiece 2. Art styles of 4 adult chimpanzees(Saito, 2008). Guess which one was by Ai[p.20] Not sure what the background of the author is, but this essay/lecture note discusses ego or literal self-awareness of apes contrasted against human children, using quotes from books. Apparently apes don't exhibit explosive growth of vocabulary, show use of syntax etc etc, and are therefore not able to acquire language. The post later also argues their ego may be on the edge of formulating but must be weak/incomplete. There's also magazine excerpt[3] on a page on relevant Kyoto University research center comparing an inpainting task done by a chimpanzee and a human child of 3 years old, showing that chimpanzees can only recognize and trace existing patterns, whereas kids go and complete the face with eyes, nose and mouth. 1: https://kyoikugenri2019.up.seesaa.net/image/2017-10-132018.11.52.jpg 2: https://kyoikugenri2019.seesaa.net/article/471281414.html 3: https://www.wrc.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ja/publications/AyaSaito/kagaku084.html
- ii41 10mo agoAi is a she. Ai is a common given name for girls in Japanese.
- Natfan 10mo agoand this, folks, is why they/them exists.
- aix1 10mo agoMore about Ai: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10329-017-0604-0 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10329-017-0604-0
- hxugufjfjf 10mo agoImpossible to not make a joke about this being just more ai news on the front page.
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- slfnflctd 10mo agoApparently, since the majority of top level comments right now - about 6 at the time of my comment - are making basically the same joke. I thought this place was supposed to be better than reddit in such ways. Do better, HN.
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- walthamstow 10mo ago> Born wild, Ai was soon taken into captivity and sold to KUPRI in 1977 by an animal trader (this type of sale became illegal in 1980 with Japan's ratification of CITES). So how do we do this kind of thing now?
- shevy-java 10mo agoI think monkeys are still bred in some zoos. I know that because there is typically media outrage when monkeys are killed in zoos when they were overbred. It's a very questionable system, since they are basically prisoners, then kind of forced or encouraged to breed, and then whacked to death when there are "too many". It's weird because zoos also claim to help preserve some species.
- lukan 10mo agoZoos do help to preserve species. Whether that is worth it, when their natural habitat is destroyed is a different question. And if we agree there should be Zoos (I don't) then breeding the animals there is definitely nicer, than capturing a wild animal and force it to adopt to the prison livestyle.
- saidnooneever 10mo agodoing something good doesn't make other things also good. there is some kind of demand they are servicing or a need they are having which they cant meet in some other way (finances..) though, which is likely the root of the issue rather than the zoos' existence itself. this is ofcourse ignoring the opinion (which i also hold) that zoos themselves are essentially or inherently bad. kids' enjoyment is not a good reason for cruelty and imprisonment/enslavement. neither is money or anyhting else. Domesticated animals is a different story.
- brador 10mo agoWhy should we?
- fedeb95 10mo agodoes someone have a video about him counting and/or painting?
- echelon_musk 10mo agoReminds me of AiAi in Super Monkey Ball.
- eej71 10mo agoGlad to see I wasn't the only one! That Super Monkey Ball game on the GameCube was just amazing.
- echelon_musk 10mo agoIt was all about the party games. Especially target and golf!
- shevy-java 10mo agoI misread this as AI initially ... The only art-centric monkey I knew was Koko, the female gorilla. Here she draws some things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iixL0CMOAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iixL0CMOAM Smartest monkey I ever saw was Kanzi though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENKinbfgrkU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENKinbfgrkU I think it is only a question and matter of time before the prison systems for monkeys may have to be reconsidered completely. Of course even smarter monkeys than Kanzi won't reach human brain functions, but they are also very convincingly extremely clever and can adapt. Numerous videos where monkeys handle (!) smartphones show this already and this is just the beginning. Like, in the movie Planet of the Apes. Just long-term in smaller steps.
- ChrisMarshallNY 10mo agoDon't call him a monk- aaaaarghhh... https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/The_Librarian https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/The_Librarian
- dejj 10mo ago"I think this was a powerful lesson on the dangers of AI. Which by the way means 'love' in Chinese." Elon Tusk, Rick and Morty, S4E4: https://youtu.be/xQHCz9ZZorA?t=129 https://youtu.be/xQHCz9ZZorA?t=129
- mettamage 10mo agoIt also means love in Japanese!
- DroneBetter 10mo agoit's weird to see that 6 years ago the public consensus on Musk was just that he was a well-intentioned soft-spoken nerd who liked computers and found himself with inadvertent money to allocate altruistically
- brap 10mo agoKoko, that chimp’s alright.
- falloutx 10mo agoGod took the wrong Ai, RIP
- comrade1234 10mo agoMy coworkers gifted me a painting by cheeta (the last chimp to play him) when I left the job. I framed it professionally in rattan and banana wood. The painting itself looks very similar to the paintings by Ai- same color schemes and patterns. Edit to add instead of a new comment: I also remember how good of a life he had in retirement. He lived in an apartment-like dwelling. Slept in a bed, woke up and ate some fruit. Would plink on the piano awhile, maybe paint some, go for a swim or walk, maybe play the piano or paint some more.... it was amusing to read while slaving away at the coding mines.
- beaker52 10mo agoSleep easy fellow earthling, there’s a new Ai in town now.
- RankingMember 10mo agoI'd genuinely like a black bar for this- cross-species respect.
- xvxvx 10mo ago49 years enslaved in a laboratory, forced to learn tricks, likely deprived of food and comfort until she played along. No clue why Jane Goodall embraced such cruelty. Showing how intelligent non-human animals are, then forcing them to endure such inhumane treatment is par the course for 'scientists'.
- toomuchtodo 10mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ai_(chimpanzee) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ai_(chimpanzee)
- grugdev42 10mo agoFor anyone who is interested in this sort of thing, I can recommend this book: Next of Kin: My Conversations with Chimpanzees by Roger Fouts Absolutely brilliant!
- pavel_lishin 10mo agoFinally, some Ai art I can get behind.
- dougSF70 10mo agoAn important comma
- ASalazarMX 10mo agoOtherwise we would be unaware thay Ai the chimpanzee counted and painted dies. I wonder what happened at her 49th birthday to spur that hobby.
- knowitnone3 10mo agois this the first generative Ai art?
- nephihaha 10mo agoProbably a better artist.
- pablonm 10mo agoThe Einstein of chimpanzees
- big-chungus4 10mo agoW Deji
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- rurban 10mo agoI just watched the horror movie Primate, where such a chimp got rabies and starts killing everyone by the numbers in very clever and horrid ways. Not funny
- ggm 10mo agoFacilitated communication takes many forms. Evidence of intentionality in the painting would demand a well structured experiment.
- gregjw 10mo agofell to my knees in a walmart