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Even if one grants that it is a small minority, aren't they still voting for someone who advocates for jailing and killing political opponents?

gruez 9mo ago
>Even if one grants that it is a small minority It is. What's more, such support is roughly the same across both parties, but both parties vastly overestimate the other side's support. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2116851119 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2116851119 https://x.com/JustinGrimmer/status/1966997411060215960 https://x.com/JustinGrimmer/status/1966997411060215960
- _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
  FOX News is workshopping/normalizing the murder of undesirables. Is FOX speaking to/for a small minority? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8
  - gruez 9mo ago
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    - _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
      Fucking wild. You can't get more mainstream opinion than this guy. Trump regularly has phone calls on air with this person, he's isn't a random someone on TV. He is one of the administrations goto mouthpieces for communicating this administration's policy on the largest news station. They are workshoping/normalizing MURDERING UNDESIRABLES on their MAINSTREAM MEDIA by hosts that the president ROUTINELY USE TO BROADCAST HIS MESSAGE. My point is THEY ARE OK WITH KILLING PEOPLE THEY DON'T WANT. A meak 'my bad' doesn't mean shit. And you waive it away. 'Bro said my bad dude, what more do you want? You think he shouldn't be an administration mouthpiece just because he wants extra-judicial killing? Cancel culture'. You are literally Martin Niemöller: "First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist" ... He was literally you. He justified their calls for 'only killing Communists and only because they are bad and want to do bad things....' just like you. Edit: oh you are just being disingenuous got it. I'm not burning another comment on you and getting throttled so here: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brian+kilmeade+trump+interview https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brian+kilmeade+...
      - gruez 9mo ago
        >He is one of the administrations goto mouthpieces for communicating this administration's policy on the largest news station. Source? Maybe you should update his wikipedia page because it doesn't even mention his involvement with the second Trump administration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kilmeade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kilmeade
        _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
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    - datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
      This response is funny to me, because there’s been a massive drop in rightwing violence in the US since Trump was elected… but that’s because state-sponsored violence isn’t counted towards the statistics. Pretty funny how there aren’t any more Proud Boy marches, yeah? Couldn’t be that they’re all getting paid six figure salaries to round up brown people at Kavanaugh stops… But yes. Most left wing thought leaders count state-sponsored violence as political violence, and that often includes the death penalty.
      - gruez 9mo ago
        >This response is funny to me, because there’s been a massive drop in rightwing violence in the US since Trump was elected… but that’s because state-sponsored violence isn’t counted towards the statistics. >Pretty funny how there aren’t any more Proud Boy marches, yeah? Couldn’t be that they’re all getting paid six figure salaries to round up brown people at Kavanaugh stops… Yes, that's how protests typically work. If things are going your way, you stop protesting. Nobody is protesting for gay marriage in California because they already won.
        datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
        I don’t want to assume your politics, but saying that the group of people calling for racial purity and ethnic cleansing don’t find it necessary to protest anymore because things are going their way is very much not a good sign.
- throw0101c 9mo ago
  > It is. What's more, such support is roughly the same across both parties, but both parties vastly overestimate the other side's support. The difference between the two parties is that one elected a leader that agrees with that minority. This 2012 scene from The Newsroom outlines the difference: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsLhyNJBh8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsLhyNJBh8 The GOP let (?) the inmates run the asylum.
- SpicyLemonZest 9mo ago
  I consider January 6 to have falsified all research along these grounds. I acknowledge, sure, that virtually nobody wants to see gun battles in the street. But if you can talk yourself into believing that a mob sent to overturn the election and install the loser doesn't count as partisan violence, you can talk yourself into believing all kinds of catastrophes don't count.
  - gruez 9mo ago
    >But if you can talk yourself into believing that a mob sent to overturn the election and install the loser doesn't count as partisan violence, you can talk yourself into believing all kinds of catastrophes don't count. How's this different than say... >polls show 99% (or whatever) of people are against crime >voters elect a soft-on-crime politician, crime goes up >"I consider the fact that the soft-on-crime politicians got elected to have falsified all research that people are against crime"
    - SpicyLemonZest 9mo ago
      It's not different. If my city elected a mayor whose buddies committed a robbery 4 years ago, and his first act in office was to parole the robbers, I would be incandescently furious and definitely say that anyone who supports him is pro-crime.
- collinfunk 9mo ago
  I don't think this addresses the main point of my question, though. Do you know any prominent Democrats, e.g., representatives, senators, or presidents, who have called for a Republican to be killed?
  - what 9mo ago
    Which republican called for a democrat to be killed?
    - Erem 9mo ago
      > "SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR FROM TRAITORS!!!" Trump went on. "LOCK THEM UP???" He also called for the lawmakers' arrest and trial, adding in a separate post that it was "SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR, punishable by DEATH." https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/trump-says-democrats-video-message-to-military-is-seditious-behavior-punishable-by-death https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/trump-says-democra...
      - gruez 9mo ago
        So more broadly, calling for any sort of capital punishment is also "political violence"? Even if you're against capital punishment, comparing it to something like Charlie Kirk getting shot is disingenuous. When people think of "political violence" they're thinking of the former, not capital punishment. Lumping the two together is like "do you support criminals? No? Why do you support Nelson Mandela, a convicted criminal?"
        lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 9mo ago
        > calling for any sort of capital punishment is also "political violence"? No, of course not, but I'm sure you knew that, hence constructing this straw man so you can knock it over and claim victory. However, and more to the actual point, calling for capital punishment strictly because you disagree with the factual words someone chose to write might reasonably be considered "political violence". Especially when the words in question clearly call out your potential political intentions and remind people that said intentions can be battled in a particular way.

gruez 9mo ago

>Even if one grants that it is a small minority It is. What's more, such support is roughly the same across both parties, but both parties vastly overestimate the other side's support. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2116851119 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2116851119 https://x.com/JustinGrimmer/status/1966997411060215960 https://x.com/JustinGrimmer/status/1966997411060215960

_DeadFred_ 9mo ago
FOX News is workshopping/normalizing the murder of undesirables. Is FOX speaking to/for a small minority? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8
- gruez 9mo ago
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  - _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
    Fucking wild. You can't get more mainstream opinion than this guy. Trump regularly has phone calls on air with this person, he's isn't a random someone on TV. He is one of the administrations goto mouthpieces for communicating this administration's policy on the largest news station. They are workshoping/normalizing MURDERING UNDESIRABLES on their MAINSTREAM MEDIA by hosts that the president ROUTINELY USE TO BROADCAST HIS MESSAGE. My point is THEY ARE OK WITH KILLING PEOPLE THEY DON'T WANT. A meak 'my bad' doesn't mean shit. And you waive it away. 'Bro said my bad dude, what more do you want? You think he shouldn't be an administration mouthpiece just because he wants extra-judicial killing? Cancel culture'. You are literally Martin Niemöller: "First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist" ... He was literally you. He justified their calls for 'only killing Communists and only because they are bad and want to do bad things....' just like you. Edit: oh you are just being disingenuous got it. I'm not burning another comment on you and getting throttled so here: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brian+kilmeade+trump+interview https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brian+kilmeade+...
    - gruez 9mo ago
      >He is one of the administrations goto mouthpieces for communicating this administration's policy on the largest news station. Source? Maybe you should update his wikipedia page because it doesn't even mention his involvement with the second Trump administration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kilmeade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kilmeade
      - _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
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  - datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
    This response is funny to me, because there’s been a massive drop in rightwing violence in the US since Trump was elected… but that’s because state-sponsored violence isn’t counted towards the statistics. Pretty funny how there aren’t any more Proud Boy marches, yeah? Couldn’t be that they’re all getting paid six figure salaries to round up brown people at Kavanaugh stops… But yes. Most left wing thought leaders count state-sponsored violence as political violence, and that often includes the death penalty.
    - gruez 9mo ago
      >This response is funny to me, because there’s been a massive drop in rightwing violence in the US since Trump was elected… but that’s because state-sponsored violence isn’t counted towards the statistics. >Pretty funny how there aren’t any more Proud Boy marches, yeah? Couldn’t be that they’re all getting paid six figure salaries to round up brown people at Kavanaugh stops… Yes, that's how protests typically work. If things are going your way, you stop protesting. Nobody is protesting for gay marriage in California because they already won.
      - datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
        I don’t want to assume your politics, but saying that the group of people calling for racial purity and ethnic cleansing don’t find it necessary to protest anymore because things are going their way is very much not a good sign.
throw0101c 9mo ago
> It is. What's more, such support is roughly the same across both parties, but both parties vastly overestimate the other side's support. The difference between the two parties is that one elected a leader that agrees with that minority. This 2012 scene from The Newsroom outlines the difference: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsLhyNJBh8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsLhyNJBh8 The GOP let (?) the inmates run the asylum.
SpicyLemonZest 9mo ago
I consider January 6 to have falsified all research along these grounds. I acknowledge, sure, that virtually nobody wants to see gun battles in the street. But if you can talk yourself into believing that a mob sent to overturn the election and install the loser doesn't count as partisan violence, you can talk yourself into believing all kinds of catastrophes don't count.
- gruez 9mo ago
  >But if you can talk yourself into believing that a mob sent to overturn the election and install the loser doesn't count as partisan violence, you can talk yourself into believing all kinds of catastrophes don't count. How's this different than say... >polls show 99% (or whatever) of people are against crime >voters elect a soft-on-crime politician, crime goes up >"I consider the fact that the soft-on-crime politicians got elected to have falsified all research that people are against crime"
  - SpicyLemonZest 9mo ago
    It's not different. If my city elected a mayor whose buddies committed a robbery 4 years ago, and his first act in office was to parole the robbers, I would be incandescently furious and definitely say that anyone who supports him is pro-crime.
collinfunk 9mo ago
I don't think this addresses the main point of my question, though. Do you know any prominent Democrats, e.g., representatives, senators, or presidents, who have called for a Republican to be killed?
- what 9mo ago
  Which republican called for a democrat to be killed?
  - Erem 9mo ago
    > "SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR FROM TRAITORS!!!" Trump went on. "LOCK THEM UP???" He also called for the lawmakers' arrest and trial, adding in a separate post that it was "SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR, punishable by DEATH." https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/trump-says-democrats-video-message-to-military-is-seditious-behavior-punishable-by-death https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/trump-says-democra...
    - gruez 9mo ago
      So more broadly, calling for any sort of capital punishment is also "political violence"? Even if you're against capital punishment, comparing it to something like Charlie Kirk getting shot is disingenuous. When people think of "political violence" they're thinking of the former, not capital punishment. Lumping the two together is like "do you support criminals? No? Why do you support Nelson Mandela, a convicted criminal?"
      - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 9mo ago
        > calling for any sort of capital punishment is also "political violence"? No, of course not, but I'm sure you knew that, hence constructing this straw man so you can knock it over and claim victory. However, and more to the actual point, calling for capital punishment strictly because you disagree with the factual words someone chose to write might reasonably be considered "political violence". Especially when the words in question clearly call out your potential political intentions and remind people that said intentions can be battled in a particular way.