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I implore you to stop being credulous before it's too late. Trump supporters deeply believe, and are not shy about saying, that anyone who stops Trump from achi
by SpicyLemonZest 10mo ago
I implore you to stop being credulous before it's too late. Trump supporters deeply believe, and are not shy about saying, that anyone who stops Trump from achieving his political goals should be imprisoned or murdered.
- pluralmonad 10mo agoHoly shit. If you believe even a small minority actually want that, please unplug and talk to real people in meat space.
- collinfunk 10mo agoEven if one grants that it is a small minority, aren't they still voting for someone who advocates for jailing and killing political opponents?
- gruez 10mo ago>Even if one grants that it is a small minority It is. What's more, such support is roughly the same across both parties, but both parties vastly overestimate the other side's support. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2116851119 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2116851119 https://x.com/JustinGrimmer/status/1966997411060215960 https://x.com/JustinGrimmer/status/1966997411060215960
- _DeadFred_ 10mo agoFOX News is workshopping/normalizing the murder of undesirables. Is FOX speaking to/for a small minority? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8
- gruez 10mo ago[flagged]
- _DeadFred_ 10mo agoFucking wild. You can't get more mainstream opinion than this guy. Trump regularly has phone calls on air with this person, he's isn't a random someone on TV. He is one of the administrations goto mouthpieces for communicating this administration's policy on the largest news station. They are workshoping/normalizing MURDERING UNDESIRABLES on their MAINSTREAM MEDIA by hosts that the president ROUTINELY USE TO BROADCAST HIS MESSAGE. My point is THEY ARE OK WITH KILLING PEOPLE THEY DON'T WANT. A meak 'my bad' doesn't mean shit. And you waive it away. 'Bro said my bad dude, what more do you want? You think he shouldn't be an administration mouthpiece just because he wants extra-judicial killing? Cancel culture'. You are literally Martin Niemöller: "First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist" ... He was literally you. He justified their calls for 'only killing Communists and only because they are bad and want to do bad things....' just like you. Edit: oh you are just being disingenuous got it. I'm not burning another comment on you and getting throttled so here: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brian+kilmeade+trump+interview https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brian+kilmeade+...
- gruez 10mo ago>He is one of the administrations goto mouthpieces for communicating this administration's policy on the largest news station. Source? Maybe you should update his wikipedia page because it doesn't even mention his involvement with the second Trump administration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kilmeade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kilmeade
- _DeadFred_ 10mo ago[flagged]
- datsci_est_2015 10mo agoThis response is funny to me, because there’s been a massive drop in rightwing violence in the US since Trump was elected… but that’s because state-sponsored violence isn’t counted towards the statistics. Pretty funny how there aren’t any more Proud Boy marches, yeah? Couldn’t be that they’re all getting paid six figure salaries to round up brown people at Kavanaugh stops… But yes. Most left wing thought leaders count state-sponsored violence as political violence, and that often includes the death penalty.
- throw0101c 10mo ago> It is. What's more, such support is roughly the same across both parties, but both parties vastly overestimate the other side's support. The difference between the two parties is that one elected a leader that agrees with that minority. This 2012 scene from The Newsroom outlines the difference: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsLhyNJBh8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsLhyNJBh8 The GOP let (?) the inmates run the asylum.
- SpicyLemonZest 10mo agoI consider January 6 to have falsified all research along these grounds. I acknowledge, sure, that virtually nobody wants to see gun battles in the street. But if you can talk yourself into believing that a mob sent to overturn the election and install the loser doesn't count as partisan violence, you can talk yourself into believing all kinds of catastrophes don't count.
- gruez 10mo ago>But if you can talk yourself into believing that a mob sent to overturn the election and install the loser doesn't count as partisan violence, you can talk yourself into believing all kinds of catastrophes don't count. How's this different than say... >polls show 99% (or whatever) of people are against crime >voters elect a soft-on-crime politician, crime goes up >"I consider the fact that the soft-on-crime politicians got elected to have falsified all research that people are against crime"
- SpicyLemonZest 10mo agoIt's not different. If my city elected a mayor whose buddies committed a robbery 4 years ago, and his first act in office was to parole the robbers, I would be incandescently furious and definitely say that anyone who supports him is pro-crime.
- collinfunk 10mo agoI don't think this addresses the main point of my question, though. Do you know any prominent Democrats, e.g., representatives, senators, or presidents, who have called for a Republican to be killed?
- what 10mo agoWhich republican called for a democrat to be killed?
- Erem 10mo ago> "SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR FROM TRAITORS!!!" Trump went on. "LOCK THEM UP???" He also called for the lawmakers' arrest and trial, adding in a separate post that it was "SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR, punishable by DEATH." https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/trump-says-democrats-video-message-to-military-is-seditious-behavior-punishable-by-death https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/trump-says-democra...
- gruez 10mo agoSo more broadly, calling for any sort of capital punishment is also "political violence"? Even if you're against capital punishment, comparing it to something like Charlie Kirk getting shot is disingenuous. When people think of "political violence" they're thinking of the former, not capital punishment. Lumping the two together is like "do you support criminals? No? Why do you support Nelson Mandela, a convicted criminal?"
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 10mo ago> calling for any sort of capital punishment is also "political violence"? No, of course not, but I'm sure you knew that, hence constructing this straw man so you can knock it over and claim victory. However, and more to the actual point, calling for capital punishment strictly because you disagree with the factual words someone chose to write might reasonably be considered "political violence". Especially when the words in question clearly call out your potential political intentions and remind people that said intentions can be battled in a particular way.
- ceejayoz 10mo agoThey chanted “lock her up” en masse as a campaign slogan. The desire to imprison is quite evident.
- netsharc 10mo agoHeh, some of them invaded Congress and were hunting down Mike Pence on Jan 6 2021...
- gruez 10mo agoIf citing the behavior of the most rabbid supporters is allowed (because that's who shows up to campaign rallies), then it's not hard to find an equivalent on the left. /r/all is full of people wanting various people in the epstein files, including trump, to be locked up on spurious associations.
- davidw 10mo agoLocking people up for crimes is different from locking them up because they are your political opponents. I don't think I've seen people on the left yelling about locking Mitch McConnell up, for instance, even if he bears much responsibility for all of this.
- gruez 10mo ago>Locking people up for crimes is different from locking them up because they are your political opponents. I thought they were upset about her emails or whatever?
- dd8601fn 10mo agoI think that's the point. None could name a crime, and that didn't matter. Meanwhile, 34 actual felony convictions, court finding misuse of millions in charity funds, an attempted coup, being found liable for sexual assault, SCOTUS having to formally place the president above the law to avoid prosecution... none of it even moved the needle for those same folks. None of it is about law and order.
- bdcravens 10mo agoIf you genuinely believe that, then I have some hope that the very toxic messages I see daily in political social media, saying exactly what's being alleged here, aren't deeply held beliefs but a tiny fringe.
- SpicyLemonZest 10mo agoAll of the Trump supporters I knew in meatspace reassured me that he would never do his insane tariffs, and then when he did insisted that it was a good idea and they never thought otherwise. So I no longer trust that they're telling me the truth about what they want or what they would support.
- _DeadFred_ 10mo agoFox News, a major American media company, had one of their main personalities say that homeless people should just be killed by lethal injection on air. The desire for killing for random reasons is so mainstream to them that their media is comfortable stating out loud people they don't want/are undesirable should just be killed. Their media organs are workshopping/normalizing killing undesirables. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8
- JumpCrisscross 10mo agoI know many. They’re good people. But they’re willing to be indifferent to violence if the perpetrators are not on their team. Everyone does this to some degree, but their tendency to align on messaging is much higher than e.g. folks going at each other about their pet war.
- m0llusk 10mo agoThey put a great deal of effort into talking about political violence and implying that Democrats are a source of rioting and terrorism. The indifference is only to their own violence.
- senordevnyc 10mo agoMaybe eight years ago. But in my experience, Trump supporters today have no line he can cross which will cause them to stop supporting him. They might claim to, but time after time, they just find a way to justify and double down.
- blurbleblurble 10mo agoLook what's happening to real people in meat space in Minnesota right now
- fzeroracer 10mo agoHave you actually unplugged and talked to people in meat space about the actions in Minneapolis?
- Tanoc 10mo agoI have a family member like this who I interact with almost every day. When Renee Good was fatally shot in the face three times this family member said that she deserved it for "getting in the way" and that if she just ignored them she wouldn't have been murdered. With all of the video recordings that have come out and been extensively disseminated, pretty much everyone knows that she moved out of the way and stopped, and it was Jonathan Ross who initiated the encounter. There is no way to "get out of the way" and "ignore them" when armed figures enact force on whims. But people like my family member believe that these armed figures direct violence towards those who are dangerous rather than simply directing violence to anybody who is close enough to hurt. You cannot reason with people like that because they retroactively justify any harm in order to protect their belief in the systems of enforcement. To them order and structure are more important and valuable than agency and safety or in some cases even life itself.
- naijaboiler 10mo agoConservatives all over have 1 disease. They are incapable of abstract empathy. Until it personally happens to them, or someone very very close to them, they are incapable of noticing injustices or hurts.
- loeg 10mo agoThat isn't true -- they just prioritize a different set of hurts. To be similarly reductive, leftists seem to only be able to sympathize with criminals and poor decision makers -- not crime victims, or hard workers. The leftist perspective just ignores individual agency.
- Shocka1 10mo agoInterestingly, in all my volunteering experience with the homeless and also hurricane relief in Tennessee/North Carolina, there were many conservatives there helping alongside us, in many instances most of of them - assuming so as they were from Christian churches and organizations. This is an anecdote of course, so please correct me if you have actual statistics that prove conservatives are incapable of empathy. My theory is that there are a whole lot of really good people in the middle, with the extremes on each end having some brain issues with empathy and whatnot. To cast such a wide blanket on conservatives doesn't seem like critical thinking to me and will not help anything.