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I could imagine a world where LLM coding was fun. It would sound like "imagine a game, like Galaxians but using tractor trailers, and as a first person shooter.

by jfengel 10mo ago

I could imagine a world where LLM coding was fun. It would sound like "imagine a game, like Galaxians but using tractor trailers, and as a first person shooter." And it pumps out a draft and you say, "No, let's try it again with an army of bagpipers." In other words, getting to be the "ideas guy", but without sounding like a dipstick who can't do anything. I don't think we're anywhere near that point yet. Instead we're at the same point where we are with self-driving: not doing anything but on constant alert.

jimmaswell 10mo ago
For me the excitement is palpable when I've asked it to write a feature, then I go test it and it entirely works as expected. It's so cool.
simonw 10mo ago
Prompt one: imagine a game, like Galaxians but using tractor trailers, and as a first person shooter. Three.js in index.html Result: https://gisthost.github.io/?771686585ef1c7299451d673543fbd5d https://gisthost.github.io/?771686585ef1c7299451d673543fbd5d Prompt two: No, let's try it again with an army of bagpipers. Result: https://gisthost.github.io/?60e18b32de6474fe192171bdef3e1d91 https://gisthost.github.io/?60e18b32de6474fe192171bdef3e1d91 I'll be honest, the bagpiper 3D models were way better than I expected! That game's a bit too hard though, you have to run sideways pretty quickly to avoid being destroyed by incoming fire. Here's the full transcript: https://gisthost.github.io/?73536b35206a1927f1df95b44f315d4c https://gisthost.github.io/?73536b35206a1927f1df95b44f315d4c
- PaulHoule 10mo ago
  There's a reason why bagpipes are banned under the Geneva convention!
  - aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
    > There's a reason why bagpipes are banned under the Geneva convention! I know this is not Reddit, but when I see such a comment, I can't resist posting a video of "the internet's favorite song" on an electrical violin and bagpipes: > Through the Fire and Flames (Official Video) - Mia x Ally > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVOBpboqCgQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVOBpboqCgQ
  - gsf_emergency_6 10mo ago
    https://youtube.com/shorts/4RgVrYYBgwY https://youtube.com/shorts/4RgVrYYBgwY Tangential: (As a FW-curious noob I wondered if Gemini understand, Why do foxes struggle, compared to wolves of all gender) >Yes, many fox species, particularly the red fox, exhibit more neotenous (juvenile-like) traits compared to wolves, such as shorter muzzles, larger eyes relative to head size, and different skull development, reflecting a divergence in evolutionary paths within the canid family, with foxes often retaining softer, more generalized features compared to the larger, more specialized wolf. While wolves are highly SOCIAL pack animals with traits adapted for cooperative hunting, foxes are generally SOLITARY, and this difference in lifestyle and morphology highlights their distinct evolutionary strategies, with foxes leaning towards juvenile-like features in their adult forms. Hows foxwork doin
    - PaulHoule 10mo ago
      Wolves work together to bring down large prey and with their large digestive tracts they "wolf it down". Foxes have a small digestive tract (makes them lightweight so they can jump and pounce on prey) and can't even eat a whole rabbit so they eat a bit and bury the rest under a layer of dirt (to hide it from other animals) and leaf litter (to hide it from birds.) A fox will lose an occasional cache to another fox but will occasionally find a cache from another fox so it evens out. Foxes in a given territory usually have some family relationship so it works from a sociobiological level, it's their form of "social hunting". For me this week it's been about practicing autonomic control, I've been building biofeedback systems and getting to the bottom of heart rate variability and working towards a biosynchronization demo. Also working to start an anime theme song cover band (Absolute Territory) where I am clearly the "kitsune" (AT-00) but more of a band manager than a mascot. I've got the all-purpose guitarist (AT-01) but I'm still casting AT-02, AT-03 and such. ... and boy do I have a technique now to find out people and places that are identity driven and those who are not.
      - gsf_emergency_6 10mo ago
        Ha putting the zettai ryoiki back into Eva I see Early request :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46606671 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46606671 E: On the offchance of further participation, JD Vance (eg) has the look of a fox masquerading as a wolf :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46611549 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46611549 (Mamdani going for the same look, but its just more convincing somehow)
- what 10mo ago
  Can it make it work on mobile?
  - simonw 10mo ago
    Yes, but I didn't bother here (not part of the original prompt). You're welcome to drop the HTML into a coding agent and tell it to do that. In my experience you usually have to decide how you want that to work - I've had them build me on-screen D-Pad controls before but I've also tried things like getting touch-to-swipe plus an on-screen fire button.
- Cthulhu_ 10mo ago
  YOUR EARS HAVE SURRENDERED lmao
- jaburgin 10mo ago
  QED
- jfengel 10mo ago
  That is deeply impressive. The code is quite readable. I appreciate that it even got the "joke" with bagpipers. I know it's just recycling other people's jokes, but it's still quite the feat. I have never used one of these. I'm going to have to try it.
ilaksh 10mo ago
There are multiple self driving car companies that are fully autonomous and operating in several cities in the US and China. Waymo has been operating for many years. There are full self driving systems that have been in operation with human driver oversight from multiple companies. And the capabilities of the LLMs in regards to your specific examples were demonstrated below. The inability of the public to perceive or accept the actual state of technology due to bias or cognitive issues is holding back society.
- Cthulhu_ 10mo ago
  It's a lot of mistrust and fear, too - a computer could never be as good at driving as a person! And yet, over the years many things have just been accepted. Satnav for example, I grew up with my mom having the map in her lap, or my dad writing down directions. Later on we had a route planner on diskettes (I think) and a printout of the route. And my dad now has had a satnav in his car for near enough two decades. I'm sure they like everyone else ran into the quirks of satnav, but I don't think there was nearly as much "fear" and doubt for satnav as there is for self-driving cars and nowadays LLMs / coding agents. Or I'm misremembering it and have rose-tinted glasses, I also remember the brouhaha of people driving into canals because the satnav told them to turn left.

by jfengel 10mo ago

jimmaswell 10mo ago

For me the excitement is palpable when I've asked it to write a feature, then I go test it and it entirely works as expected. It's so cool.

simonw 10mo ago

Prompt one: imagine a game, like Galaxians but using tractor trailers, and as a first person shooter. Three.js in index.html Result: https://gisthost.github.io/?771686585ef1c7299451d673543fbd5d https://gisthost.github.io/?771686585ef1c7299451d673543fbd5d Prompt two: No, let's try it again with an army of bagpipers. Result: https://gisthost.github.io/?60e18b32de6474fe192171bdef3e1d91 https://gisthost.github.io/?60e18b32de6474fe192171bdef3e1d91 I'll be honest, the bagpiper 3D models were way better than I expected! That game's a bit too hard though, you have to run sideways pretty quickly to avoid being destroyed by incoming fire. Here's the full transcript: https://gisthost.github.io/?73536b35206a1927f1df95b44f315d4c https://gisthost.github.io/?73536b35206a1927f1df95b44f315d4c

PaulHoule 10mo ago
There's a reason why bagpipes are banned under the Geneva convention!
- aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
  > There's a reason why bagpipes are banned under the Geneva convention! I know this is not Reddit, but when I see such a comment, I can't resist posting a video of "the internet's favorite song" on an electrical violin and bagpipes: > Through the Fire and Flames (Official Video) - Mia x Ally > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVOBpboqCgQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVOBpboqCgQ
- gsf_emergency_6 10mo ago
  https://youtube.com/shorts/4RgVrYYBgwY https://youtube.com/shorts/4RgVrYYBgwY Tangential: (As a FW-curious noob I wondered if Gemini understand, Why do foxes struggle, compared to wolves of all gender) >Yes, many fox species, particularly the red fox, exhibit more neotenous (juvenile-like) traits compared to wolves, such as shorter muzzles, larger eyes relative to head size, and different skull development, reflecting a divergence in evolutionary paths within the canid family, with foxes often retaining softer, more generalized features compared to the larger, more specialized wolf. While wolves are highly SOCIAL pack animals with traits adapted for cooperative hunting, foxes are generally SOLITARY, and this difference in lifestyle and morphology highlights their distinct evolutionary strategies, with foxes leaning towards juvenile-like features in their adult forms. Hows foxwork doin
  - PaulHoule 10mo ago
    Wolves work together to bring down large prey and with their large digestive tracts they "wolf it down". Foxes have a small digestive tract (makes them lightweight so they can jump and pounce on prey) and can't even eat a whole rabbit so they eat a bit and bury the rest under a layer of dirt (to hide it from other animals) and leaf litter (to hide it from birds.) A fox will lose an occasional cache to another fox but will occasionally find a cache from another fox so it evens out. Foxes in a given territory usually have some family relationship so it works from a sociobiological level, it's their form of "social hunting". For me this week it's been about practicing autonomic control, I've been building biofeedback systems and getting to the bottom of heart rate variability and working towards a biosynchronization demo. Also working to start an anime theme song cover band (Absolute Territory) where I am clearly the "kitsune" (AT-00) but more of a band manager than a mascot. I've got the all-purpose guitarist (AT-01) but I'm still casting AT-02, AT-03 and such. ... and boy do I have a technique now to find out people and places that are identity driven and those who are not.
    - gsf_emergency_6 10mo ago
      Ha putting the zettai ryoiki back into Eva I see Early request :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46606671 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46606671 E: On the offchance of further participation, JD Vance (eg) has the look of a fox masquerading as a wolf :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46611549 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46611549 (Mamdani going for the same look, but its just more convincing somehow)
what 10mo ago
Can it make it work on mobile?
- simonw 10mo ago
  Yes, but I didn't bother here (not part of the original prompt). You're welcome to drop the HTML into a coding agent and tell it to do that. In my experience you usually have to decide how you want that to work - I've had them build me on-screen D-Pad controls before but I've also tried things like getting touch-to-swipe plus an on-screen fire button.
Cthulhu_ 10mo ago
YOUR EARS HAVE SURRENDERED lmao
jaburgin 10mo ago
QED
jfengel 10mo ago
That is deeply impressive. The code is quite readable. I appreciate that it even got the "joke" with bagpipers. I know it's just recycling other people's jokes, but it's still quite the feat. I have never used one of these. I'm going to have to try it.

ilaksh 10mo ago

There are multiple self driving car companies that are fully autonomous and operating in several cities in the US and China. Waymo has been operating for many years. There are full self driving systems that have been in operation with human driver oversight from multiple companies. And the capabilities of the LLMs in regards to your specific examples were demonstrated below. The inability of the public to perceive or accept the actual state of technology due to bias or cognitive issues is holding back society.

Cthulhu_ 10mo ago
It's a lot of mistrust and fear, too - a computer could never be as good at driving as a person! And yet, over the years many things have just been accepted. Satnav for example, I grew up with my mom having the map in her lap, or my dad writing down directions. Later on we had a route planner on diskettes (I think) and a printout of the route. And my dad now has had a satnav in his car for near enough two decades. I'm sure they like everyone else ran into the quirks of satnav, but I don't think there was nearly as much "fear" and doubt for satnav as there is for self-driving cars and nowadays LLMs / coding agents. Or I'm misremembering it and have rose-tinted glasses, I also remember the brouhaha of people driving into canals because the satnav told them to turn left.