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An ecosystem is being built around AI : Best prompting practices, mcps, skills, IDE integration, how to build a feedback loop so that LLM can test its output al

by bsaul 9mo ago

An ecosystem is being built around AI : Best prompting practices, mcps, skills, IDE integration, how to build a feedback loop so that LLM can test its output alone, plug to the outside world with browser extensions, etc... For now i think people can still catch up quickly, but at the end of 2026 it's probably going to be a different story.

Avshalom 9mo ago
Okay, end of 2026 then what? No one ever learns how to use the tools after that? No one gets a job until the pre-2026 generation dies?
- hackable_sand 9mo ago
  For now i think people can still catch up quickly, but at the end of 2027 it's probably going to be a different story.
  - PessimalDecimal 9mo ago
    I heard 2028 is when it really gets impossible to catch up.
    - krupan 9mo ago
      Lol
edg5000 9mo ago
> probably going to be a different story Can you elaborate? Skill in AI use will be a differentiator?
- epolanski 9mo ago
  Yes. At some point you will need to combine multiple skills together: - communication - engineering skills (understanding requirements, finding edge cases, etc) - architectural proficiency - prompting - agentic workflows and skills - context management - and yes, proper old fashioned coding skills to keep things tidy and consistent
rvz 9mo ago
> Best prompting practices, mcps, skills, IDE integration, how to build a feedback loop so that LLM can test its output alone, plug to the outside world with browser extensions, etc... Ah yes, an ecosystem that is fundamentally inherently built on probabilisitic quick sand and even with the "best prompting practices", you still get agents violating the basics of security and committing API keys when they were told not to. [0] [0] https://xcancel.com/valigo/status/2009764793251664279 https://xcancel.com/valigo/status/2009764793251664279
- dkdcio 9mo ago
  I have tons of examples of AI not committing secrets. this is one screenshot from twitter? I don’t think it makes your point CPUs are billions of transistors. sometimes one fails and things still work. “probabilistic quicksand” isn’t the dig you think it is to people who know how this stuff works
  - rvz 9mo ago
    > I have tons of examples of AI not committing secrets. "Trust only me bro". It takes 10 seconds to see the many examples of API keys + prompts on GitHub to verify that tweet. The issue with AI isn't limited to that tweet which demonstrates its probabilistic nature; Otherwise why do need a sandbox to run the agent in the first place? Nevermind, we know why: Many [0] such [1] cases [2] > CPUs are billions of transistors. sometimes one fails and things still work. “probabilistic quicksand” isn’t the dig you think it is to people who know how this stuff works Except you just made a false equivalence. CPUs can be tested / verified transparently and even if it does go wrong, we know exactly why. Where as you can't explain why the LLM hallucinated or decided to delete your home folder because the way it predicts what it outputs is fundamentally stochastic. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1pgxckk/claude_cli_deleted_my_entire_home_directory_wiped/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1pgxckk/claude_cl... [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1jfidvb/claude_tried_to_nuke_my_home/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1jfidvb/claude_tr... [2] https://www.google.com/search?q=ai+deleted+files+site%3Anews.ycombinator.com https://www.google.com/search?q=ai+deleted+files+site%3Anews...

by bsaul 9mo ago

Avshalom 9mo ago

Okay, end of 2026 then what? No one ever learns how to use the tools after that? No one gets a job until the pre-2026 generation dies?

hackable_sand 9mo ago
For now i think people can still catch up quickly, but at the end of 2027 it's probably going to be a different story.
- PessimalDecimal 9mo ago
  I heard 2028 is when it really gets impossible to catch up.
  - krupan 9mo ago
    Lol

edg5000 9mo ago

> probably going to be a different story Can you elaborate? Skill in AI use will be a differentiator?

epolanski 9mo ago
Yes. At some point you will need to combine multiple skills together: - communication - engineering skills (understanding requirements, finding edge cases, etc) - architectural proficiency - prompting - agentic workflows and skills - context management - and yes, proper old fashioned coding skills to keep things tidy and consistent

rvz 9mo ago

> Best prompting practices, mcps, skills, IDE integration, how to build a feedback loop so that LLM can test its output alone, plug to the outside world with browser extensions, etc... Ah yes, an ecosystem that is fundamentally inherently built on probabilisitic quick sand and even with the "best prompting practices", you still get agents violating the basics of security and committing API keys when they were told not to. [0] [0] https://xcancel.com/valigo/status/2009764793251664279 https://xcancel.com/valigo/status/2009764793251664279

dkdcio 9mo ago
I have tons of examples of AI not committing secrets. this is one screenshot from twitter? I don’t think it makes your point CPUs are billions of transistors. sometimes one fails and things still work. “probabilistic quicksand” isn’t the dig you think it is to people who know how this stuff works
- rvz 9mo ago
  > I have tons of examples of AI not committing secrets. "Trust only me bro". It takes 10 seconds to see the many examples of API keys + prompts on GitHub to verify that tweet. The issue with AI isn't limited to that tweet which demonstrates its probabilistic nature; Otherwise why do need a sandbox to run the agent in the first place? Nevermind, we know why: Many [0] such [1] cases [2] > CPUs are billions of transistors. sometimes one fails and things still work. “probabilistic quicksand” isn’t the dig you think it is to people who know how this stuff works Except you just made a false equivalence. CPUs can be tested / verified transparently and even if it does go wrong, we know exactly why. Where as you can't explain why the LLM hallucinated or decided to delete your home folder because the way it predicts what it outputs is fundamentally stochastic. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1pgxckk/claude_cli_deleted_my_entire_home_directory_wiped/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1pgxckk/claude_cl... [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1jfidvb/claude_tried_to_nuke_my_home/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1jfidvb/claude_tr... [2] https://www.google.com/search?q=ai+deleted+files+site%3Anews.ycombinator.com https://www.google.com/search?q=ai+deleted+files+site%3Anews...