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>unify the look and feel of mobile and desktop Lol, that's what Microsoft tried 10+ years ago and everybody gave them shit for it, especially Apple fans. Now A

>unify the look and feel of mobile and desktop Lol, that's what Microsoft tried 10+ years ago and everybody gave them shit for it, especially Apple fans. Now Apple is "inventing" this again.

1over137 9mo ago
Lots of Apple fans are giving Apple shit for it now too.
- josephg 9mo ago
  The new glass look is just so bad. It feels cheap, like a child’s toy. And performance is worse as a result. I’ve turned it off on my phone, via the accessibility settings. But it’s clear Apple doesn’t test the UI layout much with the new glass look turned off. Lots of controls are subtly misaligned now. I regret updating. I have a Linux workstation. On Linux, nobody has the power to foist new ideas - good or bad - onto all users. All the arguing and bike shedding is one of Linux’s big weaknesses. But it’s also a huge strength. The desktop experience hasn’t gotten worse over the last 20 years like it has on windows and macOS. Programs start more or less instantly, as they should on modern hardware.
  - dunham 9mo ago
    > But it’s clear Apple doesn’t test the UI layout much with the new glass look turned off I turned it off and the keypad buttons for screen time passcode became white on white.
    - swader999 9mo ago
      That's suboptimal
snek_case 9mo ago
Ubuntu also tried this with Unity. They were hoping that Ubuntu would become more popular on tablets if they had a more tablet-friendly UI... They imposed this on desktop users even though nobody asked for it and basically nobody used Linux on a tablet. It was kind of a disaster. Ubuntu is a commercial entity though, so yeah, prone to the same kind of bad management decisions. as Microsoft and Apple. At least with Linux you have options. Personally I just want Linux to keep becoming more reliable over time, and have better support for energy-saving features on laptops. It's sad that Ubuntu still has issues waking up from sleep mode in 2025. Somehow those problems haven't been fixed in 20 years.
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- CarVac 9mo ago
  The thing is, Unity was great as a UI even on desktop. The main issue was poor performance early on.
  - shevy-java 9mo ago
    I found it was horrible. It is similar to GNOME here - a design for tablets and smartphones. It simply does not work on the desktop computer.
    - byproxy 9mo ago
      I use standard GNOME as my desktop environment and nothing about it feels like it was designed for tablets and/or smartphones. Not that it isn’t capable of being used as such, but my desktop usage doesn’t indicate that tablet/smartphone use-cases were the primary goal. Is GNOME even in wide use for those contexts?
      - abacadaba 9mo ago
        ya i was a GNOME hater for a long time after the GNOME 3 transition, switched between Mate and KDE for years. But gave up on those due to persistent video instability and went to vanilla Ubuntu GNOME and it's actually pretty nice. Not sure if it was good originally but I actually prefer it now.
        tombert 9mo ago
        In a bit of fairness to the haters, Gnome 3 used to have a lot of graphical glitches and was unstable in a lot of its early iterations, but I broadly agree with your characterization. I think if you actually give modern Gnome a chance (and actually make an attempt to learn it), it's actually a pretty slick desktop.
horsawlarway 9mo ago
Honestly, forced to use a macbook for work and I get incredibly strong "windows 8" vibes from macos. Apple still has pretty incredible hardware, although it's definitely priced with that in mind - but the software has been a constant slog. Change for change's sake, needless shifting in settings/config menus. Weird "we tried to make this similar to mobile" themes in some places but not others. Overly complex os navigation, without clear goals or direction. Frankly - the OS apple is producing for their traditional computers feels like garbage. I use Arch/Gnome on my personal hardware and I feel like some time in the last 5ish years my opinion swapped - I used to think Gnome was mostly copying Apple design choices, but slightly worse. Now I think Gnome is just a more clear, more usable DE than what Apple is releasing. I moved my wife to Arch/Gnome on her personal laptop last year, and the sure sign was that she hasn't really had any problems with it. All that said... I still keep a laptop around with Windows 11 on it, because I have a couple of legacy tools (CNCs, solar inverters) that still want it, and holy shit is modern Windows just absolute trash. I grew up on Windows, from windows 3.1 to windows 10, and it's the worst of the 3 by a good distance right now. You know something's gone wrong with commercial tech companies when the only OS that actually feels like it's intentionally designed for users is the free product.
- shinycode 9mo ago
  In what way does MacOS feels like garbage ? I use it everyday on a +5y MacBook and it’s an absolute blast. Powered on for weeks without reboot, 3x4K 32inch screens, hundred of chrome pages and apps opened and it’s all smooth. Ofc I don’t even hear a fan but the software is amazing for me. It all works, all the time.
  - cwillu 9mo ago
    Presumably the way he described in the previous paragraph.
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    - shinycode 9mo ago
jennyholzer4 9mo ago
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halapro 9mo ago
You can't seriously compare how inappropriate Windows 8 was on desktop to the latest macOS. Bad UI aside, the OS is effectively the same OS X from 2001 with some fresh skin. Also a lot of people hate on macOS changes, I myself did not upgrade to the latest version.
- pjmlp 9mo ago
  I guarantee that there is enough stuff from 2001 that won't work in Tahoe.
  - leeter 9mo ago
    Almost assuredly, given that 10.0 was released on 32bit PPC... and was built around Carbon, not Cocoa... yeah it's changed just a wee bit.
- Wowfunhappy 9mo ago
  Actually, I think Tohoe is much worse! Windows 8 is fundamentally just Windows 7 with a full screen start menu. This is a dumb usability downgrade, but unless you went out of your way to install Metro apps, it wasn't such a big change. Your apps worked the same way they always had.
  - debo_ 9mo ago
    Mac OS Touhou would probably be better received than Mac OS Tahoe.
    - cyberax 9mo ago
      Well, Bad Apple!! video is pretty neat after all. Perhaps Apple can be just less Bad?
- icedchai 9mo ago
  I'm still on Sequoia on both my Macs. I updated my iPad Pro to iOS 26, decided it was meh, and am not updating my phone. My iPhone is over 4 years old and figure the new iOS will run like crap on it and then I'll be forced to get a new phone.
zozbot234 9mo ago
Except that GNOME Mobile is actually pretty close to achieving that right now, and runs quite well on any reasonably up-to-date mobile hardware if the kernel-level support is there.
latexr 9mo ago
Effectively no one is arguing Apple is “inventing” this, and tons of people—especially the most ardent Apple fans—hate this direction. Adoption of the 26 OSs is lower than others in recent memory. Even the comment you’re replying to is critical of it. There are a lot of legitimate reasons to criticise Apple, especially under Tim Cook. Let’s please not do this obvious rage bait where you fabricate that a group has a singular unified hypocritical opinion which is the opposite of what we’re seeing just so you can hate on them. What even is the point? For the past twenty years, I have never seen an Apple fan being as close to annoying as the haters are. Same thing with other groups like vegans: There are more people loudly proclaiming that vegans are annoying than there are annoying vegans in the world. Why must we keep defining ourselves by hating on others? As long as they’re not causing harm, let people be. “Why are you so angry?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExEHuNrC8yU&list=PLJA_jUddXvY62dhVThbeegLPpvQlR4CjF&index=2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExEHuNrC8yU&list=PLJA_jUddXv...
barnabee 9mo ago
I'm old enough to remember everyone praising Apple for not following Microsoft and making iOS it's own separate thing. It's totally mad that they're now trying to converge their two differentiated, successful, and (mostly) well-liked OSes with the new one they just made for a $3000 headset nobody bought and even fewer people use with any regularity.
temporallobe 9mo ago
They also seem to be reinventing Windows Vista (visually).
- bigstrat2003 9mo ago
  That's fine by me. Vista was by far the best looking Windows release imo. I would be using Aero right now if I could.
  - temporallobe 9mo ago
    Completely agree! Aero was stunningly beautiful, and even the flatter Fluent Design version in Windows 10 was great, but not so much how it was applied in 11.
- heavyset_go 9mo ago
  Windows Aero will never die
UltraSane 9mo ago
That is because Microsoft put a touchscreen GUI on servers. Windows server had the stupid charm menu thing. It was just amazingly stupid.

>unify the look and feel of mobile and desktop Lol, that's what Microsoft tried 10+ years ago and everybody gave them shit for it, especially Apple fans. Now Apple is "inventing" this again.

1over137 9mo ago

Lots of Apple fans are giving Apple shit for it now too.

josephg 9mo ago
The new glass look is just so bad. It feels cheap, like a child’s toy. And performance is worse as a result. I’ve turned it off on my phone, via the accessibility settings. But it’s clear Apple doesn’t test the UI layout much with the new glass look turned off. Lots of controls are subtly misaligned now. I regret updating. I have a Linux workstation. On Linux, nobody has the power to foist new ideas - good or bad - onto all users. All the arguing and bike shedding is one of Linux’s big weaknesses. But it’s also a huge strength. The desktop experience hasn’t gotten worse over the last 20 years like it has on windows and macOS. Programs start more or less instantly, as they should on modern hardware.
- dunham 9mo ago
  > But it’s clear Apple doesn’t test the UI layout much with the new glass look turned off I turned it off and the keypad buttons for screen time passcode became white on white.
  - swader999 9mo ago
    That's suboptimal

snek_case 9mo ago

Ubuntu also tried this with Unity. They were hoping that Ubuntu would become more popular on tablets if they had a more tablet-friendly UI... They imposed this on desktop users even though nobody asked for it and basically nobody used Linux on a tablet. It was kind of a disaster. Ubuntu is a commercial entity though, so yeah, prone to the same kind of bad management decisions. as Microsoft and Apple. At least with Linux you have options. Personally I just want Linux to keep becoming more reliable over time, and have better support for energy-saving features on laptops. It's sad that Ubuntu still has issues waking up from sleep mode in 2025. Somehow those problems haven't been fixed in 20 years.

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CarVac 9mo ago
The thing is, Unity was great as a UI even on desktop. The main issue was poor performance early on.
- shevy-java 9mo ago
  I found it was horrible. It is similar to GNOME here - a design for tablets and smartphones. It simply does not work on the desktop computer.
  - byproxy 9mo ago
    I use standard GNOME as my desktop environment and nothing about it feels like it was designed for tablets and/or smartphones. Not that it isn’t capable of being used as such, but my desktop usage doesn’t indicate that tablet/smartphone use-cases were the primary goal. Is GNOME even in wide use for those contexts?
    - abacadaba 9mo ago
      ya i was a GNOME hater for a long time after the GNOME 3 transition, switched between Mate and KDE for years. But gave up on those due to persistent video instability and went to vanilla Ubuntu GNOME and it's actually pretty nice. Not sure if it was good originally but I actually prefer it now.
      - tombert 9mo ago
        In a bit of fairness to the haters, Gnome 3 used to have a lot of graphical glitches and was unstable in a lot of its early iterations, but I broadly agree with your characterization. I think if you actually give modern Gnome a chance (and actually make an attempt to learn it), it's actually a pretty slick desktop.

horsawlarway 9mo ago

Honestly, forced to use a macbook for work and I get incredibly strong "windows 8" vibes from macos. Apple still has pretty incredible hardware, although it's definitely priced with that in mind - but the software has been a constant slog. Change for change's sake, needless shifting in settings/config menus. Weird "we tried to make this similar to mobile" themes in some places but not others. Overly complex os navigation, without clear goals or direction. Frankly - the OS apple is producing for their traditional computers feels like garbage. I use Arch/Gnome on my personal hardware and I feel like some time in the last 5ish years my opinion swapped - I used to think Gnome was mostly copying Apple design choices, but slightly worse. Now I think Gnome is just a more clear, more usable DE than what Apple is releasing. I moved my wife to Arch/Gnome on her personal laptop last year, and the sure sign was that she hasn't really had any problems with it. All that said... I still keep a laptop around with Windows 11 on it, because I have a couple of legacy tools (CNCs, solar inverters) that still want it, and holy shit is modern Windows just absolute trash. I grew up on Windows, from windows 3.1 to windows 10, and it's the worst of the 3 by a good distance right now. You know something's gone wrong with commercial tech companies when the only OS that actually feels like it's intentionally designed for users is the free product.

shinycode 9mo ago
In what way does MacOS feels like garbage ? I use it everyday on a +5y MacBook and it’s an absolute blast. Powered on for weeks without reboot, 3x4K 32inch screens, hundred of chrome pages and apps opened and it’s all smooth. Ofc I don’t even hear a fan but the software is amazing for me. It all works, all the time.
- cwillu 9mo ago
  Presumably the way he described in the previous paragraph.
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  - shinycode 9mo ago

jennyholzer4 9mo ago

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halapro 9mo ago

You can't seriously compare how inappropriate Windows 8 was on desktop to the latest macOS. Bad UI aside, the OS is effectively the same OS X from 2001 with some fresh skin. Also a lot of people hate on macOS changes, I myself did not upgrade to the latest version.

pjmlp 9mo ago
I guarantee that there is enough stuff from 2001 that won't work in Tahoe.
- leeter 9mo ago
  Almost assuredly, given that 10.0 was released on 32bit PPC... and was built around Carbon, not Cocoa... yeah it's changed just a wee bit.
Wowfunhappy 9mo ago
Actually, I think Tohoe is much worse! Windows 8 is fundamentally just Windows 7 with a full screen start menu. This is a dumb usability downgrade, but unless you went out of your way to install Metro apps, it wasn't such a big change. Your apps worked the same way they always had.
- debo_ 9mo ago
  Mac OS Touhou would probably be better received than Mac OS Tahoe.
  - cyberax 9mo ago
    Well, Bad Apple!! video is pretty neat after all. Perhaps Apple can be just less Bad?
icedchai 9mo ago
I'm still on Sequoia on both my Macs. I updated my iPad Pro to iOS 26, decided it was meh, and am not updating my phone. My iPhone is over 4 years old and figure the new iOS will run like crap on it and then I'll be forced to get a new phone.

zozbot234 9mo ago

Except that GNOME Mobile is actually pretty close to achieving that right now, and runs quite well on any reasonably up-to-date mobile hardware if the kernel-level support is there.

latexr 9mo ago

Effectively no one is arguing Apple is “inventing” this, and tons of people—especially the most ardent Apple fans—hate this direction. Adoption of the 26 OSs is lower than others in recent memory. Even the comment you’re replying to is critical of it. There are a lot of legitimate reasons to criticise Apple, especially under Tim Cook. Let’s please not do this obvious rage bait where you fabricate that a group has a singular unified hypocritical opinion which is the opposite of what we’re seeing just so you can hate on them. What even is the point? For the past twenty years, I have never seen an Apple fan being as close to annoying as the haters are. Same thing with other groups like vegans: There are more people loudly proclaiming that vegans are annoying than there are annoying vegans in the world. Why must we keep defining ourselves by hating on others? As long as they’re not causing harm, let people be. “Why are you so angry?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExEHuNrC8yU&list=PLJA_jUddXvY62dhVThbeegLPpvQlR4CjF&index=2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExEHuNrC8yU&list=PLJA_jUddXv...

barnabee 9mo ago

I'm old enough to remember everyone praising Apple for not following Microsoft and making iOS it's own separate thing. It's totally mad that they're now trying to converge their two differentiated, successful, and (mostly) well-liked OSes with the new one they just made for a $3000 headset nobody bought and even fewer people use with any regularity.

temporallobe 9mo ago

They also seem to be reinventing Windows Vista (visually).

bigstrat2003 9mo ago
That's fine by me. Vista was by far the best looking Windows release imo. I would be using Aero right now if I could.
- temporallobe 9mo ago
  Completely agree! Aero was stunningly beautiful, and even the flatter Fluent Design version in Windows 10 was great, but not so much how it was applied in 11.
heavyset_go 9mo ago
Windows Aero will never die

UltraSane 9mo ago

That is because Microsoft put a touchscreen GUI on servers. Windows server had the stupid charm menu thing. It was just amazingly stupid.