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I'm looking for a dual-boiler espresso machine but I'm wondering why they are so expensive. With the cost reduction opportunities of mass production, I don't se

by amelius 10mo ago

I'm looking for a dual-boiler espresso machine but I'm wondering why they are so expensive. With the cost reduction opportunities of mass production, I don't see why they should cost more than $500. Anyway, cheapest option so far, at around $900: https://coffeegeek.com/blog/new-products/lelit-victoria-an-overlooked-prosumer-espresso-machine/ https://coffeegeek.com/blog/new-products/lelit-victoria-an-o... But at that price point, I think I'm going to spend the money on RAM.

tom86150 10mo ago
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carlmr 10mo ago
>With the cost reduction opportunities of mass production, I don't see why they should cost more than $500. I think it's more of a supply and demand thing. People spend a lot on their hobby. And it's not as much mass produced as some other items.
- amelius 10mo ago
  With a large percentage of the population drinking coffee on a regular basis, can you really call it a "hobby"?
  - natebc 10mo ago
    Arguably for "coffee geeks" it is a hobby!
    - amelius 10mo ago
      I'd assume the coffee geeks have figured out how to make cheaper machines and put the designs on github.
      - carlmr 10mo ago
        They have, kind of. Check out Gaggiuino. Sadly not really open source (Gen3) but you can get a cheap $500 Gaggia Classic and add fine grained control with an Arduino and display: https://gaggiuino.github.io https://gaggiuino.github.io Then there's the really open source Rancilio PID Clever coffee project: https://github.com/rancilio-pid/clevercoffee https://github.com/rancilio-pid/clevercoffee Different machine, similar approach, a bit more DIY since you can't buy a kit.
  - 0_____0 10mo ago
    Yes. I have briefly encountered the real coffee nerds. They are extremely serious and meticulous about their coffee, do actual science, and, I am sad to say, the coffee was better than any coffee I have had before or since. You will not get coffee that good from a coffee shop, it isn't economically viable. But the technology exists.
ZiiS 10mo ago
Would two DeLonghi Dedica machines count as dual boiler?
- amelius 10mo ago
  Ha, this entirely proves my point that these dual boiler machines can be cheaper!
halflife 10mo ago
Maybe material cost? I have a lelit mara machine, it’s pretty heavy. It weighs 18kg, with a plenty of brass and copper pipes. Also the internals don’t look like it can be machine assembled an the fat that it’s made in Italy makes it more expensive in man hours

by amelius 10mo ago

tom86150 10mo ago

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carlmr 10mo ago

>With the cost reduction opportunities of mass production, I don't see why they should cost more than $500. I think it's more of a supply and demand thing. People spend a lot on their hobby. And it's not as much mass produced as some other items.

amelius 10mo ago
With a large percentage of the population drinking coffee on a regular basis, can you really call it a "hobby"?
- natebc 10mo ago
  Arguably for "coffee geeks" it is a hobby!
  - amelius 10mo ago
    I'd assume the coffee geeks have figured out how to make cheaper machines and put the designs on github.
    - carlmr 10mo ago
      They have, kind of. Check out Gaggiuino. Sadly not really open source (Gen3) but you can get a cheap $500 Gaggia Classic and add fine grained control with an Arduino and display: https://gaggiuino.github.io https://gaggiuino.github.io Then there's the really open source Rancilio PID Clever coffee project: https://github.com/rancilio-pid/clevercoffee https://github.com/rancilio-pid/clevercoffee Different machine, similar approach, a bit more DIY since you can't buy a kit.
- 0_____0 10mo ago
  Yes. I have briefly encountered the real coffee nerds. They are extremely serious and meticulous about their coffee, do actual science, and, I am sad to say, the coffee was better than any coffee I have had before or since. You will not get coffee that good from a coffee shop, it isn't economically viable. But the technology exists.

ZiiS 10mo ago

Would two DeLonghi Dedica machines count as dual boiler?

amelius 10mo ago
Ha, this entirely proves my point that these dual boiler machines can be cheaper!

halflife 10mo ago

Maybe material cost? I have a lelit mara machine, it’s pretty heavy. It weighs 18kg, with a plenty of brass and copper pipes. Also the internals don’t look like it can be machine assembled an the fat that it’s made in Italy makes it more expensive in man hours