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This is insightful work, great job. Recently someone else revisited the Snowden documents and also found more info, but I can't recall the exact details. Snow

by Ms-J 9mo ago

This is insightful work, great job. Recently someone else revisited the Snowden documents and also found more info, but I can't recall the exact details. Snowden and the archives were absolute gifts to us all. It's a shame he didn't release everything in full though.

dfreel 9mo ago
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- zoklet-enjoyer 9mo ago
  Spy on me harder, daddy
- Andrex 9mo ago
  The best way to fix a problem is to bring it into the light, not pretend it doesn't exist. "Security by obscurity" has been debunked for decades. If our system is so flawed Snowden's leaks would have blown everything up, maybe the system deserves to be blown up. Otherwise we're just papering over flaws which likely will be discovered and exploited eventually.
  - dfreel 9mo ago
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    - wizzwizz4 9mo ago
      Are you thinking of Julian Assange? I'm not aware of Edward Snowden releasing anything that might have resulted in the deaths of field agents.
    - threethirtytwo 9mo ago
      That’s a one sided view. Secrecy is also used to hide corruption and crimes. There is plenty of corruption going on just within the CIA.
    - maqp 9mo ago
      >Snowden's aim was to damage the US and its allies, and he succeeded in this. Dude, nobody's buying this nonsense. Snowden expressed his concerns multiple times. He talked about the surveillance enabling turn-key tyranny, if ever a fascist leader would rise into power in the US. And look what's happening now. He was right, and thank god he blew the whistle, as that gave privacy activists a decade long headstart to get end-to-end encryption deployed.
    - plagiarist 9mo ago
      There is a non-zero number of documents that are classified as Top Secret not for national security but because corrupt shitheads are in control of classifying documents.
    - sroussey 9mo ago
      I call BS. The Snowden files completely rewrote the rules of security inside Google and everywhere and led to zero-trust. These companies are now protected against this unlawful hacking of the government on their local companies and thus also better protected from governments around the world. Ironically, the leaks made the US more secure.
    - Andrex 9mo ago
      "Snowden's aim was to damage the US and its allies, and he succeeded in this." I doubt it but if you have a source I'll check it out. Third party speculation doesn't count, obviously.
    - CamperBob2 9mo ago
      Given that our incompetent security policies apparently granted full access to people with no conceivable need to know (see also Manning), the bad guys already had all that stuff. If that wasn't the case before, it certainly is now, with Trump in office. Law-abiding US citizens are pretty much the only ones who didn't know what was being done in their names. That's the only thing the Snowden disclosures changed.
- maqp 9mo ago
  >It is of course very telling that Snowden ended up in Russia. Yeah it's almost like you can revoke someone's passport during their layover in Russia and make the people with MAGA-levels of intelligence take the optics at face value through decade long repeated messaging. If Snowden was a Russian spy, he would've taken the files, given them to Putin, received the largest Datša in the country and we would never have heard from him or the files. Instead, he gave it to journalists who made the call what to release. If you don't want people to blow the whistle, stop breaking the damn law https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/03/edward-snowden-nsa-surveillance-guardian-court-rules https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/03/edward-snowd...
  - dfreel 9mo ago
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    - jibal 9mo ago
      You're changing the subject from how you misrepresented why Snowden ended up in Russia. I won't engage further with someone acting in bad faith.
      - dfreel 9mo ago
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        plagiarist 9mo ago
        How? Did Snowden interrupt something the NSA was planning to about Facebook and Fox News running far-right propaganda?
        lern_too_spel 9mo ago
        Snowden's and Greenwald's illiterate misinterpretation of PRISM certainly hurt the Democrats.
    - 9mo ago
- verelo 9mo ago
  Wow the Reddit bots made it to HN. We must be famous now.
- SAI_Peregrinus 9mo ago
  Snowden never had Russia as a destination, the US revoked his passport while he was waiting in a layover. He was stuck in the airport for months. How is it "telling" of anything?
- jibal 9mo ago
  Your comment is indeed very telling. He ended up in Russia because the U.S. revoked his visa while en route to Ecuador so he was forced to live in a Russian airport for 6 weeks.
  - dfreel 9mo ago
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    - paulryanrogers 9mo ago
      > One can join the dots and have a good idea of exactly what was the purpose of doing this. The purpose was to avoid rendition to and torture within black sites of ambiguous jurisdiction. If classified material is so precious then why not lock up the guy who showed off and stored stolen classified material in his golf course bathroom?
    - fc417fc802 9mo ago
      The obvious purpose would be to avoid the authorities of the US and our allies, no? If you broke US federal law and hoped to avoid being detained, would you choose to travel to a NATO country or a non-NATO one? This isn't rocket science.
    - eesmith 9mo ago
      He deliberately planned to travel via countries which were unlikely to extradite him to the US on his way to a country which offered him permanent asylum. Do you have a suggestion for a better routing? I surely can't. How should he have gotten to Ecuador? (Which, btw, is not a US adversary.) As for your "drop off" conjecture, we have no evidence that happened, and unless you are attached to the "Snowden was black-hearted liar" fabrication, we can all read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden where he says he did not do that, and explains why: > In October 2013, Snowden said that before flying to Moscow, he gave all the classified documents he had obtained to journalists he met in Hong Kong and kept no copies for himself.[110] In January 2014, he told a German TV interviewer that he gave all of his information to American journalists reporting on American issues.[57] During his first American TV interview, in May 2014, Snowden said he had protected himself from Russian leverage by destroying the material he had been holding before landing in Moscow. I take it you believe he lied, and during the last decade-plus his nefarious actions and additional secret files never leaked. Would you care to explain the basis for your belief?
libroot 9mo ago
Thank you. The most recent completely new information from the Snowden files is found in Jacob Appelbaum's 2022 thesis[1], in which he revealed information that had not been previously public (not found on any previously published documents and so on). And AFAIK, the most recent new information from the published documents (along with this post) might actually be in our other posts[2], but there might be some others we aren't aware of. [1]: https://www.electrospaces.net/2023/09/some-new-snippets-from-snowden-documents.html https://www.electrospaces.net/2023/09/some-new-snippets-from... [2]: Part 2: https://libroot.org/posts/going-through-snowden-documents-part-2/ https://libroot.org/posts/going-through-snowden-documents-pa... and part 3: https://libroot.org/posts/going-through-snowden-documents-part-3/ https://libroot.org/posts/going-through-snowden-documents-pa...

by Ms-J 9mo ago

dfreel 9mo ago

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zoklet-enjoyer 9mo ago
Spy on me harder, daddy
Andrex 9mo ago
The best way to fix a problem is to bring it into the light, not pretend it doesn't exist. "Security by obscurity" has been debunked for decades. If our system is so flawed Snowden's leaks would have blown everything up, maybe the system deserves to be blown up. Otherwise we're just papering over flaws which likely will be discovered and exploited eventually.
- dfreel 9mo ago
  [flagged]
  - wizzwizz4 9mo ago
    Are you thinking of Julian Assange? I'm not aware of Edward Snowden releasing anything that might have resulted in the deaths of field agents.
  - threethirtytwo 9mo ago
    That’s a one sided view. Secrecy is also used to hide corruption and crimes. There is plenty of corruption going on just within the CIA.
  - maqp 9mo ago
    >Snowden's aim was to damage the US and its allies, and he succeeded in this. Dude, nobody's buying this nonsense. Snowden expressed his concerns multiple times. He talked about the surveillance enabling turn-key tyranny, if ever a fascist leader would rise into power in the US. And look what's happening now. He was right, and thank god he blew the whistle, as that gave privacy activists a decade long headstart to get end-to-end encryption deployed.
  - plagiarist 9mo ago
    There is a non-zero number of documents that are classified as Top Secret not for national security but because corrupt shitheads are in control of classifying documents.
  - sroussey 9mo ago
    I call BS. The Snowden files completely rewrote the rules of security inside Google and everywhere and led to zero-trust. These companies are now protected against this unlawful hacking of the government on their local companies and thus also better protected from governments around the world. Ironically, the leaks made the US more secure.
  - Andrex 9mo ago
    "Snowden's aim was to damage the US and its allies, and he succeeded in this." I doubt it but if you have a source I'll check it out. Third party speculation doesn't count, obviously.
  - CamperBob2 9mo ago
    Given that our incompetent security policies apparently granted full access to people with no conceivable need to know (see also Manning), the bad guys already had all that stuff. If that wasn't the case before, it certainly is now, with Trump in office. Law-abiding US citizens are pretty much the only ones who didn't know what was being done in their names. That's the only thing the Snowden disclosures changed.
maqp 9mo ago
>It is of course very telling that Snowden ended up in Russia. Yeah it's almost like you can revoke someone's passport during their layover in Russia and make the people with MAGA-levels of intelligence take the optics at face value through decade long repeated messaging. If Snowden was a Russian spy, he would've taken the files, given them to Putin, received the largest Datša in the country and we would never have heard from him or the files. Instead, he gave it to journalists who made the call what to release. If you don't want people to blow the whistle, stop breaking the damn law https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/03/edward-snowden-nsa-surveillance-guardian-court-rules https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/03/edward-snowd...
- dfreel 9mo ago
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  - jibal 9mo ago
    You're changing the subject from how you misrepresented why Snowden ended up in Russia. I won't engage further with someone acting in bad faith.
    - dfreel 9mo ago
      [flagged]
      - plagiarist 9mo ago
        How? Did Snowden interrupt something the NSA was planning to about Facebook and Fox News running far-right propaganda?
        lern_too_spel 9mo ago
        Snowden's and Greenwald's illiterate misinterpretation of PRISM certainly hurt the Democrats.
  - 9mo ago
verelo 9mo ago
Wow the Reddit bots made it to HN. We must be famous now.
SAI_Peregrinus 9mo ago
Snowden never had Russia as a destination, the US revoked his passport while he was waiting in a layover. He was stuck in the airport for months. How is it "telling" of anything?
jibal 9mo ago
Your comment is indeed very telling. He ended up in Russia because the U.S. revoked his visa while en route to Ecuador so he was forced to live in a Russian airport for 6 weeks.
- dfreel 9mo ago
  [flagged]
  - paulryanrogers 9mo ago
    > One can join the dots and have a good idea of exactly what was the purpose of doing this. The purpose was to avoid rendition to and torture within black sites of ambiguous jurisdiction. If classified material is so precious then why not lock up the guy who showed off and stored stolen classified material in his golf course bathroom?
  - fc417fc802 9mo ago
    The obvious purpose would be to avoid the authorities of the US and our allies, no? If you broke US federal law and hoped to avoid being detained, would you choose to travel to a NATO country or a non-NATO one? This isn't rocket science.
  - eesmith 9mo ago
    He deliberately planned to travel via countries which were unlikely to extradite him to the US on his way to a country which offered him permanent asylum. Do you have a suggestion for a better routing? I surely can't. How should he have gotten to Ecuador? (Which, btw, is not a US adversary.) As for your "drop off" conjecture, we have no evidence that happened, and unless you are attached to the "Snowden was black-hearted liar" fabrication, we can all read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden where he says he did not do that, and explains why: > In October 2013, Snowden said that before flying to Moscow, he gave all the classified documents he had obtained to journalists he met in Hong Kong and kept no copies for himself.[110] In January 2014, he told a German TV interviewer that he gave all of his information to American journalists reporting on American issues.[57] During his first American TV interview, in May 2014, Snowden said he had protected himself from Russian leverage by destroying the material he had been holding before landing in Moscow. I take it you believe he lied, and during the last decade-plus his nefarious actions and additional secret files never leaked. Would you care to explain the basis for your belief?

libroot 9mo ago

Thank you. The most recent completely new information from the Snowden files is found in Jacob Appelbaum's 2022 thesis[1], in which he revealed information that had not been previously public (not found on any previously published documents and so on). And AFAIK, the most recent new information from the published documents (along with this post) might actually be in our other posts[2], but there might be some others we aren't aware of. [1]: https://www.electrospaces.net/2023/09/some-new-snippets-from-snowden-documents.html https://www.electrospaces.net/2023/09/some-new-snippets-from... [2]: Part 2: https://libroot.org/posts/going-through-snowden-documents-part-2/ https://libroot.org/posts/going-through-snowden-documents-pa... and part 3: https://libroot.org/posts/going-through-snowden-documents-part-3/ https://libroot.org/posts/going-through-snowden-documents-pa...