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I hate how everyone overlooks the fact that most "illegal immigrants" are committing a civil offense that is not supposed to allow for any detainment like a cri

I hate how everyone overlooks the fact that most "illegal immigrants" are committing a civil offense that is not supposed to allow for any detainment like a criminal offense. And the criminal offenses that are mentioned in the study are mostly state offenses that are supposed to be handled by state law enforcement. There are a very small number of people who have actually committed federal criminal offenses that justify any detainment at all by ICE.

flatpepsi17 10mo ago
Wait- are you seriously arguing that everyone in the country illegally CAN'T be detained? That illegals are required to remain free, and stay illegally as long as they want? That's a border control policy known as "no border control at all".
- gtirloni 10mo ago
  Yes, you got it right.
- venusenvy47 10mo ago
  Overstaying a visa, which is the most common way to be "illegal" is literally not a crime and is not handled by criminal courts in the US. It is strictly a civil matter handled by civil courts (which can't impose jail time, by definition.) Sneaking into the country is a federal crime (a misdemeanor for the first offense and a felony for the second) and is handled by criminal courts.
- orwin 9mo ago
  If they enter it illegally, that's probably a crime (I have no idea of what it's like in the US). Of course visa violations aren't a crime, did you ever had to fill administrative papers? What if misfiling your taxes was a crime, regardless of intent? Do you want everyone who made a mistake on their taxes to go to prison preventively? Or only fraudsters?
  - flatpepsi17 9mo ago
    >I have no idea of what it's like in the US Why are you chiming in on another country's immigration policy? You deal with your country, I'll deal with mine. Opinion dismissed
- array_key_first 9mo ago
  I would rather no border control at all than a secret nazi-like police who are loyal only to their dear leader. We have law and order. There is a proper way to do things. Only fools think dismantling the system will work to their advantage.

flatpepsi17 10mo ago

Wait- are you seriously arguing that everyone in the country illegally CAN'T be detained? That illegals are required to remain free, and stay illegally as long as they want? That's a border control policy known as "no border control at all".

gtirloni 10mo ago
Yes, you got it right.
venusenvy47 10mo ago
Overstaying a visa, which is the most common way to be "illegal" is literally not a crime and is not handled by criminal courts in the US. It is strictly a civil matter handled by civil courts (which can't impose jail time, by definition.) Sneaking into the country is a federal crime (a misdemeanor for the first offense and a felony for the second) and is handled by criminal courts.
orwin 9mo ago
If they enter it illegally, that's probably a crime (I have no idea of what it's like in the US). Of course visa violations aren't a crime, did you ever had to fill administrative papers? What if misfiling your taxes was a crime, regardless of intent? Do you want everyone who made a mistake on their taxes to go to prison preventively? Or only fraudsters?
- flatpepsi17 9mo ago
  >I have no idea of what it's like in the US Why are you chiming in on another country's immigration policy? You deal with your country, I'll deal with mine. Opinion dismissed
array_key_first 9mo ago
I would rather no border control at all than a secret nazi-like police who are loyal only to their dear leader. We have law and order. There is a proper way to do things. Only fools think dismantling the system will work to their advantage.