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Our fruit sucks and we basically have no street food culture worth discussing. But we have the best pizza in the world. Detroit, Chicago and a decent NY are ju

Our fruit sucks and we basically have no street food culture worth discussing. But we have the best pizza in the world. Detroit, Chicago and a decent NY are just better. The northern part of the east coast easily has the greatest concentration of amazing sandwiches in the world. It was shocking to me just how bad a sub sandwich can be even if you are in a different location in the US, I never found one I would recommend in Chicago. Most places I've traveled have a single style of sandwich maybe worth eating. Although sandwiches like the Banh Mi deserve to be discussed. But you can get those wherever there is any kind of Vietnamese population in the US and I haven't noticed much difference regionally personally. Brisket BBQ was also invented here and most countries do not even a bad option for it.

epolanski 9mo ago
> But we have the best pizza in the world There's italians all around the world. You can have a great pizza virtually everywhere. I had a great one, and I mean among the best I had in my life (mind you I've been to the highest rated pizzas in Italy) even in Sangenjaya, Tokyo, Pizzeria Da Peppe - NAPOLI STA CA.
- Larrikin 9mo ago
  Japan regularly wins best Italian pizza competitions, but those chefs are usually Japanese. I've been to a few of the winners in Tokyo and they were great but I still prefer a Detroit style over them
  - epolanski 9mo ago
    The one I went was pure Neapolitan thanks God. > but I still prefer a Detroit style over them We all have our Stockholm syndrome :)
ojhughes 9mo ago
I really didn’t enjoy Chicago pizza when I visited, as with many things in the US it’s quantity over quantity and the cheese is not as good as you find in Europe
- tptacek 9mo ago
  Without even touching this "cheese is not as good as you find in Europe", if you had deep-dish pizza you should know that's tourist pizza. I grew up with cracker-thin pizza from Fox's, cut into squares; the real Chicago pizza.
  - kasey_junk 9mo ago
    Someone really needs to do a numerical study and food history on deep dish. There is a giordanos (one of the big local deep dish chains) around the corner from my house and I would estimate no more than 1 in 3 pizzas coming out of that place is deep dish. And I can’t remember a single time I’ve been with a group of Chicagoans and they’ve decided to order deep dish with the exception after drinking at Pequods. As someone who was raised elsewhere but has lived in Chicago a long time I’m fascinated how deep dish became externally associated with Chicago while internally it’s so poorly received. It would be like going to Southern California and finding out no one eats fish tacos. Conversely Chicago hot dogs and (until recently) Italian beef are legitimately different and better in Chicago, widely acclaimed locally, but largely ignored outside of the city. So weird.
    - Larrikin 9mo ago
      I too would like this study because thin crust is objectively worse than all the other popular styles of pizza in the US and it always felt like there was something else going on when I would see it at events, never at parties or on tables. Deep dish is unique and has a legitimate claim to being one of the better forms of pizza. Nothing about cracker crust thin crust can compete with NY style, Italian styles, or any of the other styles of pizza. It basically competes with the rectangle pizzas from school lunches and is cut and served similarly. The thin crust is better crowd came across to me when I lived there as a few different groups. Gaslighting food b/vloggers on the internet looking for something to write about because so much has already been said about the actual best food in the city, the same as the ones that say Cheesesteaks are worse than Brocolli Rabes in Philadelphia for example. Or the recent trend of saying that American cheese is not the worst cheese created because it melts, which all deli cheeses also do. Smash burgers at home are better simply because you can use a different type of cheese. Suburbanites trying to show they were better than people actually from Chicago and tourists. Event planners who were cheaping out because they could order 3 crappy thin crust pizzas for the price of one deep dish pizza. Thin crust was basically the only type of pizza you would see at tech events unless the company was trying to show off how much money they had. Deep dish is heavy so it was not always a go to food when I was hanging out in Chicago, but when people wanted pizza nobody I met from Chicago ever said "No don't get deep dish, get thin crust" Personally I view Chicago dogs as the ultimate form of the hot dog and think they are pretty good. But a sausage with just mustard is still better. I usually would only get them when I was showing someone around from out of town. Italian beefs are just a wet worse version of a cheesesteak. They aren't bad and people who never spent time in Philly might enjoy them, but they were just another confirmation point to me that sandwiches aren't that good in Chicago. Actual Chicagoan's opinions weren't always better though. I wasted so much time going to different Harold's Chicken Shacks before realizing that it wasn't true that some are better than others, people just cover the bland chicken in the sugar sauce.
ndsipa_pomu 9mo ago
> But we have the best pizza in the world. Naples enters the chat

epolanski 9mo ago

> But we have the best pizza in the world There's italians all around the world. You can have a great pizza virtually everywhere. I had a great one, and I mean among the best I had in my life (mind you I've been to the highest rated pizzas in Italy) even in Sangenjaya, Tokyo, Pizzeria Da Peppe - NAPOLI STA CA.

Larrikin 9mo ago
Japan regularly wins best Italian pizza competitions, but those chefs are usually Japanese. I've been to a few of the winners in Tokyo and they were great but I still prefer a Detroit style over them
- epolanski 9mo ago
  The one I went was pure Neapolitan thanks God. > but I still prefer a Detroit style over them We all have our Stockholm syndrome :)

ojhughes 9mo ago

I really didn’t enjoy Chicago pizza when I visited, as with many things in the US it’s quantity over quantity and the cheese is not as good as you find in Europe

tptacek 9mo ago
Without even touching this "cheese is not as good as you find in Europe", if you had deep-dish pizza you should know that's tourist pizza. I grew up with cracker-thin pizza from Fox's, cut into squares; the real Chicago pizza.
- kasey_junk 9mo ago
  Someone really needs to do a numerical study and food history on deep dish. There is a giordanos (one of the big local deep dish chains) around the corner from my house and I would estimate no more than 1 in 3 pizzas coming out of that place is deep dish. And I can’t remember a single time I’ve been with a group of Chicagoans and they’ve decided to order deep dish with the exception after drinking at Pequods. As someone who was raised elsewhere but has lived in Chicago a long time I’m fascinated how deep dish became externally associated with Chicago while internally it’s so poorly received. It would be like going to Southern California and finding out no one eats fish tacos. Conversely Chicago hot dogs and (until recently) Italian beef are legitimately different and better in Chicago, widely acclaimed locally, but largely ignored outside of the city. So weird.
  - Larrikin 9mo ago
    I too would like this study because thin crust is objectively worse than all the other popular styles of pizza in the US and it always felt like there was something else going on when I would see it at events, never at parties or on tables. Deep dish is unique and has a legitimate claim to being one of the better forms of pizza. Nothing about cracker crust thin crust can compete with NY style, Italian styles, or any of the other styles of pizza. It basically competes with the rectangle pizzas from school lunches and is cut and served similarly. The thin crust is better crowd came across to me when I lived there as a few different groups. Gaslighting food b/vloggers on the internet looking for something to write about because so much has already been said about the actual best food in the city, the same as the ones that say Cheesesteaks are worse than Brocolli Rabes in Philadelphia for example. Or the recent trend of saying that American cheese is not the worst cheese created because it melts, which all deli cheeses also do. Smash burgers at home are better simply because you can use a different type of cheese. Suburbanites trying to show they were better than people actually from Chicago and tourists. Event planners who were cheaping out because they could order 3 crappy thin crust pizzas for the price of one deep dish pizza. Thin crust was basically the only type of pizza you would see at tech events unless the company was trying to show off how much money they had. Deep dish is heavy so it was not always a go to food when I was hanging out in Chicago, but when people wanted pizza nobody I met from Chicago ever said "No don't get deep dish, get thin crust" Personally I view Chicago dogs as the ultimate form of the hot dog and think they are pretty good. But a sausage with just mustard is still better. I usually would only get them when I was showing someone around from out of town. Italian beefs are just a wet worse version of a cheesesteak. They aren't bad and people who never spent time in Philly might enjoy them, but they were just another confirmation point to me that sandwiches aren't that good in Chicago. Actual Chicagoan's opinions weren't always better though. I wasted so much time going to different Harold's Chicken Shacks before realizing that it wasn't true that some are better than others, people just cover the bland chicken in the sugar sauce.

ndsipa_pomu 9mo ago

> But we have the best pizza in the world. Naples enters the chat