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Wild that I can't use Kagi in Safari on iOS, where my search options are still locked down to three~four Apple-approved choices, of which at least one is just a

by troad 9mo ago

Wild that I can't use Kagi in Safari on iOS, where my search options are still locked down to three~four Apple-approved choices, of which at least one is just a multi-billion-dollar paid product placement. (Yes, I know about the extension that hijacks your searches to redirect them to Kagi, but how is that an acceptable state of affairs?)

testfrequency 9mo ago
Move to Japan?
al_borland 9mo ago
This upsets me as well. I’ve sent Apple feedback[0] about it, I suggest others do the same. I wanted to use Safari at work, but this proved too big of a barrier. I can’t use the App Store at work, so no extensions. I was more willing to give up Safari than Kagi. [0] https://www.apple.com/feedback/safari/ https://www.apple.com/feedback/safari/
- IgorPartola 9mo ago
  Just submitted feedback as well. This is honestly what’s holding me back from buying a Kagi subscription at this point. Here is what I submitted: I’m requesting that iOS Safari allow users to set any search engine as their default, rather than limiting choices to a pre-approved list. Currently, Safari only offers Google, Bing, Yahoo, DuckDuckGo, and Ecosia, preventing users from choosing legitimate alternatives like Kagi. While workarounds exist, they’re cumbersome and don’t provide a seamless experience. Please consider allowing users to add custom search engines as default options, similar to macOS Safari. This would enhance user choice without compromising security. Thank you for considering this feedback.
  - trvr 9mo ago
    Don't let this hold you back. Use a mobile browser that lets you use Kagi; it's worth it.
    - Zambyte 9mo ago
      Or even better, a computer that does things when told.
      - IgorPartola 9mo ago
        If you can tell me what phone can give me access to all the standard apps I would need, has good build quality, doesn’t funnel my data to Google, is backed by an entity capable of providing multi-year device support, has cloud storage integration that lets me keep my data securely offloaded from the phone’s storage, can handle modern apps and websites as far as performance, has a very good camera, and has the equivalent of AppleCare such that if/when I shatter my screen I can replace it for $30, I am all ears.
        Zambyte 9mo ago
        I haven't found one. I don't carry a phone unless I have a specific reason (ie: gps). I use my desktop or tablet (Daylight Computer) with a voip service (jmp.chat) when I need to use a phone number, and I carry a Sony ZV-1 in my pocket for my camera.
        76SlashDolphin 9mo ago
        I have a Pixel 8 running GrapheneOS and it does most of the above: - slightly lesser build quality than my iPhone 15 Pro but comparable - doesn't funnel data to Google unless you explicitly let it, you can circumvent a lot of the Google Play stuff by restricting permissions and using Aurora Store - is backed by, well, Google and the Graphene team porting over security updated. They have a fairly good track record by now. - can use any of the N backup services that already exist unlike the iPhone's silly restriction on background apps - don't notice performance differences between it and my iPhone 15 Pro in day to day use. If anything, biometrics are way faster on the Pixel since iOS 26 made FaceID slow as molasses for me - the default camera is pretty good (uses all the Pixel fancy processing hardware) but if it's not good enough you can just install the stock Google camera which works fine. You can turn off network access if you don't want it snooping. Photos are neck and neck with the iPhone but the iPhone is way better at videos, no Android phone has cracked that yet IMO. - Yeah, but no other brand can give you an AppleCare experience. Best option is phone insurance and just getting a new Pixel if that happens. Graphene can do full device backups via Seedvault and it's not that much more of a pain to restore compared to an iPhone backup. Granted, it's jankier but it's not impossible. The other issue is that Pixels are not a thing in a lot of countries, Apple really has the edge here but I'd take that risk over the UX shenanigans they pull nowadays with their latest updates (god is it awful)
  - Eupolemos 9mo ago
    > This is honestly what’s holding me back from buying a Kagi subscription at this point. I am pretty that is exactly the point for Apple.
  - cornedor 9mo ago
    > This is honestly what’s holding me back from buying a Kagi subscription at this point. The extension is working really well for me. You could always try it out with the free version to see if it works for you as well.
    - deleted 9mo ago
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comandillos 9mo ago
Wild that my Huawei phone running Harmony OS allows to you customize the search engines in the default browser and iOS does not.
- bastawhiz 9mo ago
  My pixel phone running stock android lets me change the search engine in Chrome[0] as well. It's kind of crazy that Apple still locks this down. [0] Not on the home screen, but I'll take what I can get.
skylurk 9mo ago
IIRC all are product placement/ads. Listing requires paying Apple.
duskdozer 9mo ago
I was completely surprised as soon as I read your post that you couldn't add search engines on safari, and then I was completely unsurprised a moment later.
fainpul 9mo ago
Since search engines are queried with a URL with a parameter for the search term, browsers could simply allow "power users" to enter a custom URL. Voilà — support for every imaginable search engine and they can still make their billion dollar deals for providing default search engines. That's how Firefox does it.
- gumby271 9mo ago
  I think thats how everyone but Apple does it.
  - fainpul 9mo ago
    I just tested Brave. It's possible to set anything as the default search engine, but the UI hides it really well. They sure don't want you to find out. You have to add it as a site search first (which is a different section), then you can make that "default", which moves it up to the search engines and makes it the default search engine. And sure enough, Safari on macOS seems to not allow it at all (needs extensions).

by troad 9mo ago

testfrequency 9mo ago

Move to Japan?

al_borland 9mo ago

This upsets me as well. I’ve sent Apple feedback[0] about it, I suggest others do the same. I wanted to use Safari at work, but this proved too big of a barrier. I can’t use the App Store at work, so no extensions. I was more willing to give up Safari than Kagi. [0] https://www.apple.com/feedback/safari/ https://www.apple.com/feedback/safari/

IgorPartola 9mo ago
Just submitted feedback as well. This is honestly what’s holding me back from buying a Kagi subscription at this point. Here is what I submitted: I’m requesting that iOS Safari allow users to set any search engine as their default, rather than limiting choices to a pre-approved list. Currently, Safari only offers Google, Bing, Yahoo, DuckDuckGo, and Ecosia, preventing users from choosing legitimate alternatives like Kagi. While workarounds exist, they’re cumbersome and don’t provide a seamless experience. Please consider allowing users to add custom search engines as default options, similar to macOS Safari. This would enhance user choice without compromising security. Thank you for considering this feedback.
- trvr 9mo ago
  Don't let this hold you back. Use a mobile browser that lets you use Kagi; it's worth it.
  - Zambyte 9mo ago
    Or even better, a computer that does things when told.
    - IgorPartola 9mo ago
      If you can tell me what phone can give me access to all the standard apps I would need, has good build quality, doesn’t funnel my data to Google, is backed by an entity capable of providing multi-year device support, has cloud storage integration that lets me keep my data securely offloaded from the phone’s storage, can handle modern apps and websites as far as performance, has a very good camera, and has the equivalent of AppleCare such that if/when I shatter my screen I can replace it for $30, I am all ears.
      - Zambyte 9mo ago
        I haven't found one. I don't carry a phone unless I have a specific reason (ie: gps). I use my desktop or tablet (Daylight Computer) with a voip service (jmp.chat) when I need to use a phone number, and I carry a Sony ZV-1 in my pocket for my camera.
      - 76SlashDolphin 9mo ago
        I have a Pixel 8 running GrapheneOS and it does most of the above: - slightly lesser build quality than my iPhone 15 Pro but comparable - doesn't funnel data to Google unless you explicitly let it, you can circumvent a lot of the Google Play stuff by restricting permissions and using Aurora Store - is backed by, well, Google and the Graphene team porting over security updated. They have a fairly good track record by now. - can use any of the N backup services that already exist unlike the iPhone's silly restriction on background apps - don't notice performance differences between it and my iPhone 15 Pro in day to day use. If anything, biometrics are way faster on the Pixel since iOS 26 made FaceID slow as molasses for me - the default camera is pretty good (uses all the Pixel fancy processing hardware) but if it's not good enough you can just install the stock Google camera which works fine. You can turn off network access if you don't want it snooping. Photos are neck and neck with the iPhone but the iPhone is way better at videos, no Android phone has cracked that yet IMO. - Yeah, but no other brand can give you an AppleCare experience. Best option is phone insurance and just getting a new Pixel if that happens. Graphene can do full device backups via Seedvault and it's not that much more of a pain to restore compared to an iPhone backup. Granted, it's jankier but it's not impossible. The other issue is that Pixels are not a thing in a lot of countries, Apple really has the edge here but I'd take that risk over the UX shenanigans they pull nowadays with their latest updates (god is it awful)
- Eupolemos 9mo ago
  > This is honestly what’s holding me back from buying a Kagi subscription at this point. I am pretty that is exactly the point for Apple.
- cornedor 9mo ago
  > This is honestly what’s holding me back from buying a Kagi subscription at this point. The extension is working really well for me. You could always try it out with the free version to see if it works for you as well.
  - deleted 9mo ago
    [deleted]

comandillos 9mo ago

Wild that my Huawei phone running Harmony OS allows to you customize the search engines in the default browser and iOS does not.

bastawhiz 9mo ago
My pixel phone running stock android lets me change the search engine in Chrome[0] as well. It's kind of crazy that Apple still locks this down. [0] Not on the home screen, but I'll take what I can get.

skylurk 9mo ago

IIRC all are product placement/ads. Listing requires paying Apple.

duskdozer 9mo ago

I was completely surprised as soon as I read your post that you couldn't add search engines on safari, and then I was completely unsurprised a moment later.

fainpul 9mo ago

Since search engines are queried with a URL with a parameter for the search term, browsers could simply allow "power users" to enter a custom URL. Voilà — support for every imaginable search engine and they can still make their billion dollar deals for providing default search engines. That's how Firefox does it.

gumby271 9mo ago
I think thats how everyone but Apple does it.
- fainpul 9mo ago
  I just tested Brave. It's possible to set anything as the default search engine, but the UI hides it really well. They sure don't want you to find out. You have to add it as a site search first (which is a different section), then you can make that "default", which moves it up to the search engines and makes it the default search engine. And sure enough, Safari on macOS seems to not allow it at all (needs extensions).