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The Trump Administration Says It's Illegal to Record Videos of ICE

70 points by SilverElfin 10mo ago

SilverElfin 10mo ago
> Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Kristi Noem said, "Violence is anything that threatens them and their safety, so it is doxing them, it's videotaping them where they're at when they're out on operations, encouraging other people to come and to throw things, rocks, bottles."
- neogodless 10mo ago
  Doxxing? They are representatives of the U.S. government. Not secret service or undercover agents... Also aren't they proud of the service they are providing to their country? Wouldn't they want everyone to know the fine job they are doing?
allears 10mo ago
Fortunately, administrative department heads do not get to create or modify the law. Not that that's goiing to stop anybody.
- iAMkenough 10mo ago
  They do get to tell their agents how to enforce illegal "laws," and a majority of Congress will accept that.
- treetalker 10mo ago
  Of related interest: recent SCOTUS mumblings about counter-agency and counter-Executive doctrines, including the Unitary Executive Theory's necessary implication of a Unitary Legislative counterpart. See https://www.scotusblog.com/2026/01/did-justice-kagan-debilitate-the-administrative-state/ https://www.scotusblog.com/2026/01/did-justice-kagan-debilit....
duxup 10mo ago
This administration is just a bunch of "the law is what we say it is when it is convenient for us to say it is X". The constitution and actual law doesn't apply to them as far as they are concerned. And of course that means isn't the same law for you and me.
- kelseyfrog 10mo ago
  I wouldn't take legal advice from the executive branch.
  - duxup 10mo ago
    I think you can only be sure the president will protect himself. Some of his past allies have been put in some bad positions and it doesn’t seem Trump cares.
chrisjj 10mo ago
> The Trump administration believes you don't have the right to record Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers in public. We know the administration claims that. We don't know it believes that.
- SilverElfin 10mo ago
  But by repeating these things over and over, they create a chilling effect (after all they might shoot you in broad daylight) and also normalize the idea so they can then arrest people over it. Kristi Noem is using the word “doxxing” to describe recording and posting videos. And then describes doxxing as “violence”. Right wing Twitter is eating up this characterization and is asking the administration to jail people for recording. They’re priming the public to support such blatant violations of the first amendment.
toomuchtodo 10mo ago
EFF: Yes, You Have the Right to Film ICE - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/02/yes-you-have-right-film-ice https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/02/yes-you-have-right-fil... - February 12th, 2025 EFF: Federal Judge Upholds Arizonans’ Right to Record the Police - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/federal-judge-upholds-arizonans-right-record-police https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/federal-judge-upholds-... - August 11th, 2023 EFF: Fourth Circuit: Individuals Have a First Amendment Right to Livestream Their Own Traffic Stops - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/02/fourth-circuit-individuals-have-first-amendment-right-livestream-their-own-traffic https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/02/fourth-circuit-individ... - February 23rd, 2023 EFF: Victory! Another Court Protects the Right to Record Police - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/victory-another-court-protects-right-record-police https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/victory-another-court-... - July 12th, 2022 (Others? Reply with them!)
password54321 10mo ago
Either you fight for your rights or it gets worse. Clearly Trump and ICE don't care about your freedom or rights, so you now have to decide whether you submit or resist.
Havoc 10mo ago
Obviously they want that...ICE is busy shooting people fleeing them and assaulting unarmed people https://www.reddit.com/r/NextGenRebellion/comments/1q6n823/ice_agents_shoots_a_person_who_attempts_to_drive/ https://www.reddit.com/r/NextGenRebellion/comments/1q6n823/i... https://imgur.com/gallery/ice-escalates-violence-hours-after-murdering-renee-nicole-good-ySxfQsD https://imgur.com/gallery/ice-escalates-violence-hours-after... Very much tracks that the administration would want to suppress that

70 points by SilverElfin 10mo ago

> Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Kristi Noem said, "Violence is anything that threatens them and their safety, so it is doxing them, it's videotaping them where they're at when they're out on operations, encouraging other people to come and to throw things, rocks, bottles."

neogodless 10mo ago
Doxxing? They are representatives of the U.S. government. Not secret service or undercover agents... Also aren't they proud of the service they are providing to their country? Wouldn't they want everyone to know the fine job they are doing?

allears 10mo ago

Fortunately, administrative department heads do not get to create or modify the law. Not that that's goiing to stop anybody.

iAMkenough 10mo ago
They do get to tell their agents how to enforce illegal "laws," and a majority of Congress will accept that.
treetalker 10mo ago
Of related interest: recent SCOTUS mumblings about counter-agency and counter-Executive doctrines, including the Unitary Executive Theory's necessary implication of a Unitary Legislative counterpart. See https://www.scotusblog.com/2026/01/did-justice-kagan-debilitate-the-administrative-state/ https://www.scotusblog.com/2026/01/did-justice-kagan-debilit....

duxup 10mo ago

This administration is just a bunch of "the law is what we say it is when it is convenient for us to say it is X". The constitution and actual law doesn't apply to them as far as they are concerned. And of course that means isn't the same law for you and me.

kelseyfrog 10mo ago
I wouldn't take legal advice from the executive branch.
- duxup 10mo ago
  I think you can only be sure the president will protect himself. Some of his past allies have been put in some bad positions and it doesn’t seem Trump cares.

chrisjj 10mo ago

> The Trump administration believes you don't have the right to record Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers in public. We know the administration claims that. We don't know it believes that.

SilverElfin 10mo ago
But by repeating these things over and over, they create a chilling effect (after all they might shoot you in broad daylight) and also normalize the idea so they can then arrest people over it. Kristi Noem is using the word “doxxing” to describe recording and posting videos. And then describes doxxing as “violence”. Right wing Twitter is eating up this characterization and is asking the administration to jail people for recording. They’re priming the public to support such blatant violations of the first amendment.

toomuchtodo 10mo ago

EFF: Yes, You Have the Right to Film ICE - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/02/yes-you-have-right-film-ice https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/02/yes-you-have-right-fil... - February 12th, 2025 EFF: Federal Judge Upholds Arizonans’ Right to Record the Police - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/federal-judge-upholds-arizonans-right-record-police https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/federal-judge-upholds-... - August 11th, 2023 EFF: Fourth Circuit: Individuals Have a First Amendment Right to Livestream Their Own Traffic Stops - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/02/fourth-circuit-individuals-have-first-amendment-right-livestream-their-own-traffic https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/02/fourth-circuit-individ... - February 23rd, 2023 EFF: Victory! Another Court Protects the Right to Record Police - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/victory-another-court-protects-right-record-police https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/victory-another-court-... - July 12th, 2022 (Others? Reply with them!)

password54321 10mo ago

Either you fight for your rights or it gets worse. Clearly Trump and ICE don't care about your freedom or rights, so you now have to decide whether you submit or resist.

Havoc 10mo ago

Obviously they want that...ICE is busy shooting people fleeing them and assaulting unarmed people https://www.reddit.com/r/NextGenRebellion/comments/1q6n823/ice_agents_shoots_a_person_who_attempts_to_drive/ https://www.reddit.com/r/NextGenRebellion/comments/1q6n823/i... https://imgur.com/gallery/ice-escalates-violence-hours-after-murdering-renee-nicole-good-ySxfQsD https://imgur.com/gallery/ice-escalates-violence-hours-after... Very much tracks that the administration would want to suppress that