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A decade ago I put this stance into my LinkedIn profile tag line, and was a little surprised how many engineers reached out to praise that decision. I think it

by i80and 9mo ago

A decade ago I put this stance into my LinkedIn profile tag line, and was a little surprised how many engineers reached out to praise that decision. I think it's rapidly, finally, entering the realm of political viability.

therobots927 9mo ago
All it took was a white mother (and US citizen) getting shot in broad daylight. As much as I hate to admit it, a large enough segment of the population needed something blatant like this to care.
- bruceb 9mo ago
  You have it backwards. Police shooting a white person will get less attention than if they were not white.
- stavros 9mo ago
  It's not flattering to the US that the mother who was murdered needed specifically to be white for people to care.
  - FireBeyond 9mo ago
    It's not. I was a "90 day fiance" immigrant (the concept, not the show). We had a sincere relationship, but we both agreed that our marriage, while genuine, was earlier than it would have otherwise been other than logistics of an trans-Pacific romance. We stayed together 5 years, then separated/divorced, amicably. In the midst of all that I missed a USCIS filing date. I was out of status briefly, but also in a situation where I was ostensibly entitled to stay (USCIS would have to demonstrate a belief that the marriage was under false pretences), so I hired an immigration attorney to straighten things out (which basically involved filing paperwork that I needed to file, and a letter from her and one from me explaining why I missed it. She did make the comment to me during all that though that I had no cause for concern above and beyond that, quote: "I hate that I can say it, but the reality is you're both 'the right color' and a high-earning male. USCIS has you so far down the list of their priorities for reconciliation you could stay here decades before them calling you to account".
    - bruceb 9mo ago
      Most K1 applications are approved, most are female, most are not white. I doubt your case would have been any different had you not been a "'the right color' and a high-earning male".
      - FireBeyond 9mo ago
        She wasn't referring to K1 visas specifically, she was referring to USCIS and how they'd prioritize dealing with enforcement actions against people in non-compliance with their visa obligations. And I'd suspect as an immigration attorney, she likely had first-hand experience of same.
        bruceb 9mo ago
        The K1 approvel rate seems a decent proxy instead of 1 lawyer's opinion. Acceptance went up during V1 of the current administation. https://visagrader.com/visa-approvals-and-refusals/K1 https://visagrader.com/visa-approvals-and-refusals/K1 Jamaica, not known for having lots of people with pale skin, has basicaly same approval rate as Germany. https://visagrader.com/visa-approvals-and-refusals/K1/jamaica-jam https://visagrader.com/visa-approvals-and-refusals/K1/jamaic... https://visagrader.com/visa-approvals-and-refusals/K1/germany-deu https://visagrader.com/visa-approvals-and-refusals/K1/german... Would be unlikely that the USCIS radically changed their approach when dealing with paperwork messups for populations if these different countries while apparently approving applications at basically the same exact rate.
        FireBeyond 9mo ago
        You're not understanding. This has nothing to do with the K1 visa. Or approval rates. I came from a low risk country. This is about adjustments of status, for any visa, and people who fall out of compliance and are in a period of being "unauthorized" to be/stay/work in the country. And sorry, given ICE's mandates, ruled temporarily okay by SCOTUS, that color of skin, accent, name are effectively "probable cause" for detention, I'd say her perspective is absolutely aligned with current enforcement priorities.
  - vkou 9mo ago
    Don't worry, it's worse. Half the country has branded her as a terrorist, and her killer as a hero.
  - suzdude 9mo ago
    > It's not flattering to the US There's such a long list of things one could say that about. In this instance the "representation matters" thought process seems to bear out. Folks talk about aspiring to role models who look like them. People also react strongly when this sort of thing happens to someone who looks like them.
    - stavros 9mo ago
      The problem is that you can slice representation every which way. It could be "I only identify with 6'3" males who live in Idaho and like trains", or it could be "I identify with humans". The fact that US culture chooses to identify with people of the same colour is telling, though I don't know, maybe that's a human thing and my country is too homogeneous for me to think otherwise.
- iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
  Odd. I thought she was a legal observer. It is funny how quickly the narratives changed given how little traction was gained on 'observer' status.
  - steele 9mo ago
    She can be both, she will become lots of things over time depending on agenda. Her background was decidedly under-reported, for a few justifications, including preventing a preferred audience from sympathizing with the victim. Not sure what your point is other than volume of information available increases over time.
    - iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
      You do have a point. My point is that we are constantly a part of informational warfare and it is getting old. I would love nothing more than people to look at it all with a cold eye and say something akin to: oh, I recognize this pattern. Instead, I attempts of various power centers to frame it in a way beneficial to them. Some of us are rather tired of this.
      - SpicyLemonZest 9mo ago
        But why is your own framing exempt from the analysis? The idea that you should see a murder and "look at it all with a cold eye", to try and dispassionately understand whether it might have been justified, is a non-obvious idea that's quite advantageous to power centers that expect to be shooting people frequently.
        iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
        Am I suggesting that you do not do it? Hardly. That said, I am simply not buying my newly assigned martyr.
        SpicyLemonZest 9mo ago
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- jacobsenscott 9mo ago
  Trump watched the video in front of a bunch of reporters and said "meh". Nothing will change for 3.5 years minimum. 40% of the country thinks he's doing great, and a greater percentage of those 40% vote vs the people who vote from the other group.
  - i80and 9mo ago
    If midterms go well, and the special elections last November suggest they may, then at least we may be able to blunt some of the harm. But the underlying point that about 35% of Americans just fundamentally do not seem to value civilization is a problem that has to be worked around.
    - dylan604 9mo ago
      The only way elections will change anything is if the Senate flips to 2/3 control by the Dems. I doubt enough GOP will vote to convict to reach 2/3. So even if a 51% House impeaches, it will go no further. We've already seen this scenario. Twice.
- JKCalhoun 9mo ago
  Video analysis is depressing: https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis...
  - chasd00 9mo ago
    I wonder what conclusion the FBI's investigation will come to because it sure doesn't look good for ICE to me. Best case, those two agents get sentenced to life for murder but the damage is done and a life taken. If the officer fired two shots and she died at the scene then it seems reasonable to me the bullets didn't go through the windshield and, instead, went through her rolled down window while she was turning away from the officer. If that's the case then I'm predicting riots everywhere over the next couple weeks. // i know pretty much zero details of what happened and it will be impossible to get any actual facts that are not politicized for weeks
    - i80and 9mo ago
      I don't want to be a doomer, but I think the FBI is highly unlikely to do an honest good-faith investigation here.
    - dylan604 9mo ago
      Looking at the video in the link GP provided, it is obvious first shot went through the windshield. The others went through the side window.
    - cdrnsf 9mo ago
      Given that this administration appointed the head of the FBI due to his loyalty to Trump, the most likely reason they took over the investigation is to shield ICE from any accountability.
      - dredmorbius 9mo ago
        The US FBI now seems to act much as the National Enquirer does, as a "catch and kill" tool. In the case of the Enquirer, this was through buying exclusive rights to inconvenient stories and refusing to publish them. In the case of the FBI, it's by claiming exclusive jurisdiction over incidents and quashing or impeding independent investigation. See "Former National Enquirer boss breaks his silence on 'catch and kill' as lead witness in Trump trial" (2024) <https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/media/national-enquirer-catch-and-kill-trump-trial/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/media/national-enquirer-catch...> and <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_kill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_kill> (concept) and <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_Kill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_Kill> (Ronan Farrow book).
- like_any_other 9mo ago
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RickJWagner 9mo ago
So you did it when Obama ( and the current ICE management ) were handling deportations?
- panja 9mo ago
  He did say 10 years ago so...

by i80and 9mo ago

therobots927 9mo ago

All it took was a white mother (and US citizen) getting shot in broad daylight. As much as I hate to admit it, a large enough segment of the population needed something blatant like this to care.

bruceb 9mo ago
You have it backwards. Police shooting a white person will get less attention than if they were not white.
stavros 9mo ago
It's not flattering to the US that the mother who was murdered needed specifically to be white for people to care.
- FireBeyond 9mo ago
  It's not. I was a "90 day fiance" immigrant (the concept, not the show). We had a sincere relationship, but we both agreed that our marriage, while genuine, was earlier than it would have otherwise been other than logistics of an trans-Pacific romance. We stayed together 5 years, then separated/divorced, amicably. In the midst of all that I missed a USCIS filing date. I was out of status briefly, but also in a situation where I was ostensibly entitled to stay (USCIS would have to demonstrate a belief that the marriage was under false pretences), so I hired an immigration attorney to straighten things out (which basically involved filing paperwork that I needed to file, and a letter from her and one from me explaining why I missed it. She did make the comment to me during all that though that I had no cause for concern above and beyond that, quote: "I hate that I can say it, but the reality is you're both 'the right color' and a high-earning male. USCIS has you so far down the list of their priorities for reconciliation you could stay here decades before them calling you to account".
  - bruceb 9mo ago
    Most K1 applications are approved, most are female, most are not white. I doubt your case would have been any different had you not been a "'the right color' and a high-earning male".
    - FireBeyond 9mo ago
      She wasn't referring to K1 visas specifically, she was referring to USCIS and how they'd prioritize dealing with enforcement actions against people in non-compliance with their visa obligations. And I'd suspect as an immigration attorney, she likely had first-hand experience of same.
      - bruceb 9mo ago
        The K1 approvel rate seems a decent proxy instead of 1 lawyer's opinion. Acceptance went up during V1 of the current administation. https://visagrader.com/visa-approvals-and-refusals/K1 https://visagrader.com/visa-approvals-and-refusals/K1 Jamaica, not known for having lots of people with pale skin, has basicaly same approval rate as Germany. https://visagrader.com/visa-approvals-and-refusals/K1/jamaica-jam https://visagrader.com/visa-approvals-and-refusals/K1/jamaic... https://visagrader.com/visa-approvals-and-refusals/K1/germany-deu https://visagrader.com/visa-approvals-and-refusals/K1/german... Would be unlikely that the USCIS radically changed their approach when dealing with paperwork messups for populations if these different countries while apparently approving applications at basically the same exact rate.
        FireBeyond 9mo ago
        You're not understanding. This has nothing to do with the K1 visa. Or approval rates. I came from a low risk country. This is about adjustments of status, for any visa, and people who fall out of compliance and are in a period of being "unauthorized" to be/stay/work in the country. And sorry, given ICE's mandates, ruled temporarily okay by SCOTUS, that color of skin, accent, name are effectively "probable cause" for detention, I'd say her perspective is absolutely aligned with current enforcement priorities.
- vkou 9mo ago
  Don't worry, it's worse. Half the country has branded her as a terrorist, and her killer as a hero.
- suzdude 9mo ago
  > It's not flattering to the US There's such a long list of things one could say that about. In this instance the "representation matters" thought process seems to bear out. Folks talk about aspiring to role models who look like them. People also react strongly when this sort of thing happens to someone who looks like them.
  - stavros 9mo ago
    The problem is that you can slice representation every which way. It could be "I only identify with 6'3" males who live in Idaho and like trains", or it could be "I identify with humans". The fact that US culture chooses to identify with people of the same colour is telling, though I don't know, maybe that's a human thing and my country is too homogeneous for me to think otherwise.
iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
Odd. I thought she was a legal observer. It is funny how quickly the narratives changed given how little traction was gained on 'observer' status.
- steele 9mo ago
  She can be both, she will become lots of things over time depending on agenda. Her background was decidedly under-reported, for a few justifications, including preventing a preferred audience from sympathizing with the victim. Not sure what your point is other than volume of information available increases over time.
  - iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
    You do have a point. My point is that we are constantly a part of informational warfare and it is getting old. I would love nothing more than people to look at it all with a cold eye and say something akin to: oh, I recognize this pattern. Instead, I attempts of various power centers to frame it in a way beneficial to them. Some of us are rather tired of this.
    - SpicyLemonZest 9mo ago
      But why is your own framing exempt from the analysis? The idea that you should see a murder and "look at it all with a cold eye", to try and dispassionately understand whether it might have been justified, is a non-obvious idea that's quite advantageous to power centers that expect to be shooting people frequently.
      - iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
        Am I suggesting that you do not do it? Hardly. That said, I am simply not buying my newly assigned martyr.
        SpicyLemonZest 9mo ago
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jacobsenscott 9mo ago
Trump watched the video in front of a bunch of reporters and said "meh". Nothing will change for 3.5 years minimum. 40% of the country thinks he's doing great, and a greater percentage of those 40% vote vs the people who vote from the other group.
- i80and 9mo ago
  If midterms go well, and the special elections last November suggest they may, then at least we may be able to blunt some of the harm. But the underlying point that about 35% of Americans just fundamentally do not seem to value civilization is a problem that has to be worked around.
  - dylan604 9mo ago
    The only way elections will change anything is if the Senate flips to 2/3 control by the Dems. I doubt enough GOP will vote to convict to reach 2/3. So even if a 51% House impeaches, it will go no further. We've already seen this scenario. Twice.
JKCalhoun 9mo ago
Video analysis is depressing: https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis...
- chasd00 9mo ago
  I wonder what conclusion the FBI's investigation will come to because it sure doesn't look good for ICE to me. Best case, those two agents get sentenced to life for murder but the damage is done and a life taken. If the officer fired two shots and she died at the scene then it seems reasonable to me the bullets didn't go through the windshield and, instead, went through her rolled down window while she was turning away from the officer. If that's the case then I'm predicting riots everywhere over the next couple weeks. // i know pretty much zero details of what happened and it will be impossible to get any actual facts that are not politicized for weeks
  - i80and 9mo ago
    I don't want to be a doomer, but I think the FBI is highly unlikely to do an honest good-faith investigation here.
  - dylan604 9mo ago
    Looking at the video in the link GP provided, it is obvious first shot went through the windshield. The others went through the side window.
  - cdrnsf 9mo ago
    Given that this administration appointed the head of the FBI due to his loyalty to Trump, the most likely reason they took over the investigation is to shield ICE from any accountability.
    - dredmorbius 9mo ago
      The US FBI now seems to act much as the National Enquirer does, as a "catch and kill" tool. In the case of the Enquirer, this was through buying exclusive rights to inconvenient stories and refusing to publish them. In the case of the FBI, it's by claiming exclusive jurisdiction over incidents and quashing or impeding independent investigation. See "Former National Enquirer boss breaks his silence on 'catch and kill' as lead witness in Trump trial" (2024) <https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/media/national-enquirer-catch-and-kill-trump-trial/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/media/national-enquirer-catch...> and <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_kill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_kill> (concept) and <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_Kill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_Kill> (Ronan Farrow book).
like_any_other 9mo ago
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RickJWagner 9mo ago

So you did it when Obama ( and the current ICE management ) were handling deportations?

panja 9mo ago
He did say 10 years ago so...