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> most maximally vindictive candidates I think that's how we got to this point today, tbh.

by silisili 10mo ago

moogly 10mo ago
It's been building for a long time; it's not recent per se, just accelerated. 2025 showed that you can't just go "ok, it's over now, we'll go back to business as usual" (like I know the limp-wristed Dems will want to do) or it'll repeat after every other election until it's successful. You just cannot have this many people constantly being convinced they live in this alternate reality for much longer without civilization collapse. But I think it's gone too far and we're witnessing the fall of the empire in real-time. I'm just hoping that fall won't screw up the rest of the world too much, but I'm pretty sure it will.
- jordanpg 10mo ago
  More to the point, it's the collapse of the carefully balanced entente around things like WMD and war crimes that will be our undoing. Recent events have brought this into sharp focus. This is really the glue that holds it all together -- that we and our allies haven't even had to think about these things for our entire lives up until now. I hate to be hyperbolic, but I fear that fear of these things will soon become a looming presence in our lives. For the rest of our lives. And kids' lives. And grandkids' lives.
rambojohnson 10mo ago
pussy-footing and reaching across the isle never did anyone of good conscience any good.
whatever1 10mo ago
No we got to this point because the hope for a better future evaporated. People are thirsty for answers. Any answer to this question will have a big following. Gambling, influencing, day trading, kick out the immigrants, anything works as long as it can promise to change your life for the better.
energy123 10mo ago
Cost of living and social media. Populists are a symptom.
marcosdumay 10mo ago
I think you and the GP are using completely different definitions of "revenge".
thrance 10mo ago
Quite the opposite actually. Democrats have been so complacent with the proto-fascists for so long, that republicans will now justify murdering a mother in broad daylight, filmed under 3 angles clearly showing she is fearing for her life. The solution to fascism is not compromise and weakness.
- RickJWagner 10mo ago
  We live in different worlds, friend. Please know there are people across the aisle that view it differently. When things calm down, talk with them and learn. Nobody wins when we insist the world is only as we alone view it.
  - thrance 10mo ago
    I talked to these people minutes ago, on the thread about the murder. Trumpists are finding ways to rationalize this assassination. Just like they did Jan 6, the bombings of fishing boats near Venezuela, the other exactions ICE committed, Trump being Epstein's closest friend, etc. Then I listened to the Vice President claiming she was an "unhinged left-wing lunatic", that she had been radicalized and that she was trying to hurt the ICE agent, and thus she deserved to be shot. A complete, abject lie trying to justify this murder, when everyone saw in the videos she was clearly trying to escape, and no agent was on her path. EDIT: looking at your comment history, it seems like you are trying to justify her assassination too. We are not friends, no friend of mine attempts to rationalize away the murder of innocents by masked brownshirts. I hope you can escape this death cult sometimes soon, then maybe we could find common ground.
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  - phillipcarter 10mo ago
RickJWagner 10mo ago
Center/right voter here. I believe you are correct.
UncleMeat 10mo ago
Imprisoning fascists who break out laws and shoot people dead is good. The fact that the fascists want to kill people for being brown doesn't change this.

> most maximally vindictive candidates I think that's how we got to this point today, tbh.

moogly 10mo ago

It's been building for a long time; it's not recent per se, just accelerated. 2025 showed that you can't just go "ok, it's over now, we'll go back to business as usual" (like I know the limp-wristed Dems will want to do) or it'll repeat after every other election until it's successful. You just cannot have this many people constantly being convinced they live in this alternate reality for much longer without civilization collapse. But I think it's gone too far and we're witnessing the fall of the empire in real-time. I'm just hoping that fall won't screw up the rest of the world too much, but I'm pretty sure it will.

jordanpg 10mo ago
More to the point, it's the collapse of the carefully balanced entente around things like WMD and war crimes that will be our undoing. Recent events have brought this into sharp focus. This is really the glue that holds it all together -- that we and our allies haven't even had to think about these things for our entire lives up until now. I hate to be hyperbolic, but I fear that fear of these things will soon become a looming presence in our lives. For the rest of our lives. And kids' lives. And grandkids' lives.

rambojohnson 10mo ago

pussy-footing and reaching across the isle never did anyone of good conscience any good.

whatever1 10mo ago

No we got to this point because the hope for a better future evaporated. People are thirsty for answers. Any answer to this question will have a big following. Gambling, influencing, day trading, kick out the immigrants, anything works as long as it can promise to change your life for the better.

energy123 10mo ago

Cost of living and social media. Populists are a symptom.

marcosdumay 10mo ago

I think you and the GP are using completely different definitions of "revenge".

thrance 10mo ago

Quite the opposite actually. Democrats have been so complacent with the proto-fascists for so long, that republicans will now justify murdering a mother in broad daylight, filmed under 3 angles clearly showing she is fearing for her life. The solution to fascism is not compromise and weakness.

RickJWagner 10mo ago
We live in different worlds, friend. Please know there are people across the aisle that view it differently. When things calm down, talk with them and learn. Nobody wins when we insist the world is only as we alone view it.
- thrance 10mo ago
  I talked to these people minutes ago, on the thread about the murder. Trumpists are finding ways to rationalize this assassination. Just like they did Jan 6, the bombings of fishing boats near Venezuela, the other exactions ICE committed, Trump being Epstein's closest friend, etc. Then I listened to the Vice President claiming she was an "unhinged left-wing lunatic", that she had been radicalized and that she was trying to hurt the ICE agent, and thus she deserved to be shot. A complete, abject lie trying to justify this murder, when everyone saw in the videos she was clearly trying to escape, and no agent was on her path. EDIT: looking at your comment history, it seems like you are trying to justify her assassination too. We are not friends, no friend of mine attempts to rationalize away the murder of innocents by masked brownshirts. I hope you can escape this death cult sometimes soon, then maybe we could find common ground.
  - RickJWagner 10mo ago
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- phillipcarter 10mo ago

RickJWagner 10mo ago

Center/right voter here. I believe you are correct.

UncleMeat 10mo ago

Imprisoning fascists who break out laws and shoot people dead is good. The fact that the fascists want to kill people for being brown doesn't change this.