4 ms·

Europeans are telling me right now that americans have a moral imperative to mount an armed insurrection against the government. Which do you think is easier,

by cons0le 9mo ago

Europeans are telling me right now that americans have a moral imperative to mount an armed insurrection against the government. Which do you think is easier, insurgency or leaving twitter? I didn't just protest against this. I voted, ran mutual aid networks, donated, and canvassed for progressive candidates. And when that failed I canvassed for moderates that I didn't want. I went to churches and asked why they were pushing this garbage. My aunt and uncle were told they weren't welcome in their local church unless they voted for trump and disowned all family members that didn't. The church has a trump sign right on the front lawn. When I went to ask about that being illegal they looked at me like I had 3 heads. My aunt and uncle had to move cities. My friend at the the no kings protest had police fire a beanbag into his eyesocket. He was in his second story apartment watching the protest from above, I was right next to him. We weren't even on the street and they fired right into his eye. He was forced to take a plea deal even though the cops had body cameras. The footage was never handed over, despite a FOIA request. He got no money. He already didn't have health insurance. Its comes off as incredibly hollow when I hear europeans say "nobody tried to stop this" or "Its amazing how little resistance they've faced". We had millions of people protesting without a peep in the news. I really don't want the hear talking about how we should use the 2nd amendment from people that can't even quit twitter.

krapp 9mo ago
>I really don't want the hear talking about how we should use the 2nd amendment from people that can't even quit twitter. But we also hear that from our fellow Americans all the time. Every time there's a school shooting or spree killing, we're lectured about that being a price we should be willing to pay for our right to keep and bear arms. Every time gun control comes up, we're told that America's well armed militias are the only thing keeping our government from sliding into tyranny, and that all of our rights are vouchsafed by the second amendment. Americans love to quote Thomas Jefferson on watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants. They were willing to revolt over covid restrictions. They were willing to riot and coup over imaginary communists stealing the election. They were willing to turn Portland into a war zone over George Floyd. It's telling that the response to Trump, while not nothing, has been positively timid in comparison. Don't complain about Europeans turning a mirror onto Americans' hollow rhetoric. Plenty of other countries have been able to deal with corruption and tyranny without a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms and a billion dollar gun industry flooding the country with weapons. It's good that you actually went out and did the work, which is more than most Americans, but you know protests alone don't mean a thing. Also the vast majority of Twitter users are American, and Americans aren't exactly quitting it either.
- cons0le 9mo ago
  >Every time there's a school shooting or spree killing, we're lectured about that being a price we should be willing to pay for our right to keep and bear arms. Every time gun control comes up, we're told that America's well armed militias are the only thing keeping our government from sliding into tyranny, and that all of our rights are vouchsafed by the second amendment. Americans don't have a representative government, europeans do. Lets be honest, you know in your heart that the vast majority of americans want to stop school shootings, don't you?? Even to this day, a majority of americans are in favor of universal background checks, and an assault weapons ban. Check pew, gallup, anywhere you'd like. Over 60% of americans when polled, say they want universal healthcare. The difference between american and europe is: over here we don't get what we want, even when the vast majority support it. Over here the cops just shoot us in the face. >Also the vast majority of Twitter users are American, and Americans aren't exactly quitting it either. And they should quit too, but right now we're talking about europe. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I also want to circle back and say, portland was not turned into a war zone over george floyd. The protest spanned over a few city blocks, and 99% of the city carried on as normal. You're parroting disgusting propaganda, straight from the mouth of fox news. Can't you see that we have a media machine that's invested in making the left look violent? Don't believe everything your hear from the american news. > They were willing to revolt over covid restrictions. They were willing to riot and coup over imaginary communists stealing the election. Its fitting you bring up these examples as if they weren't proving my point. These events were both largely orchestrated on twitter. Same thing they did in myanmar. You can help fight against the machine by leaving twitter. Its free. Its easy.
  - yongjik 9mo ago
    > Lets be honest, you know in your heart that the vast majority of americans want to stop school shootings, don't you?? I don't think we know that, and I think you're looking at your fellow Americans with rose-tinted glasses. Let's face reality. Two years after one of the worst school shootings in US history, Uvalde county, TX voted for Trump (66.3% vs 33.0% for Harris). Not to mention that Trump won the popular election nationwide. Nobody put a gun on Americans' heads and forced them to vote for Trump. They did because they wanted to. I'm not saying the media is infallible, but if you view the situation as evil billionaires and media forcing gun rights, private healthcare, and ICE on oppressed Americans, you're drawing battle lines in a way that doesn't make sense.
khalic 9mo ago
I don’t think anybody should be telling you your moral imperatives, if the situation warrants a popular uprising, you won’t have any doubt about it. Take care

by cons0le 9mo ago

krapp 9mo ago

>I really don't want the hear talking about how we should use the 2nd amendment from people that can't even quit twitter. But we also hear that from our fellow Americans all the time. Every time there's a school shooting or spree killing, we're lectured about that being a price we should be willing to pay for our right to keep and bear arms. Every time gun control comes up, we're told that America's well armed militias are the only thing keeping our government from sliding into tyranny, and that all of our rights are vouchsafed by the second amendment. Americans love to quote Thomas Jefferson on watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants. They were willing to revolt over covid restrictions. They were willing to riot and coup over imaginary communists stealing the election. They were willing to turn Portland into a war zone over George Floyd. It's telling that the response to Trump, while not nothing, has been positively timid in comparison. Don't complain about Europeans turning a mirror onto Americans' hollow rhetoric. Plenty of other countries have been able to deal with corruption and tyranny without a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms and a billion dollar gun industry flooding the country with weapons. It's good that you actually went out and did the work, which is more than most Americans, but you know protests alone don't mean a thing. Also the vast majority of Twitter users are American, and Americans aren't exactly quitting it either.

cons0le 9mo ago
>Every time there's a school shooting or spree killing, we're lectured about that being a price we should be willing to pay for our right to keep and bear arms. Every time gun control comes up, we're told that America's well armed militias are the only thing keeping our government from sliding into tyranny, and that all of our rights are vouchsafed by the second amendment. Americans don't have a representative government, europeans do. Lets be honest, you know in your heart that the vast majority of americans want to stop school shootings, don't you?? Even to this day, a majority of americans are in favor of universal background checks, and an assault weapons ban. Check pew, gallup, anywhere you'd like. Over 60% of americans when polled, say they want universal healthcare. The difference between american and europe is: over here we don't get what we want, even when the vast majority support it. Over here the cops just shoot us in the face. >Also the vast majority of Twitter users are American, and Americans aren't exactly quitting it either. And they should quit too, but right now we're talking about europe. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I also want to circle back and say, portland was not turned into a war zone over george floyd. The protest spanned over a few city blocks, and 99% of the city carried on as normal. You're parroting disgusting propaganda, straight from the mouth of fox news. Can't you see that we have a media machine that's invested in making the left look violent? Don't believe everything your hear from the american news. > They were willing to revolt over covid restrictions. They were willing to riot and coup over imaginary communists stealing the election. Its fitting you bring up these examples as if they weren't proving my point. These events were both largely orchestrated on twitter. Same thing they did in myanmar. You can help fight against the machine by leaving twitter. Its free. Its easy.
- yongjik 9mo ago
  > Lets be honest, you know in your heart that the vast majority of americans want to stop school shootings, don't you?? I don't think we know that, and I think you're looking at your fellow Americans with rose-tinted glasses. Let's face reality. Two years after one of the worst school shootings in US history, Uvalde county, TX voted for Trump (66.3% vs 33.0% for Harris). Not to mention that Trump won the popular election nationwide. Nobody put a gun on Americans' heads and forced them to vote for Trump. They did because they wanted to. I'm not saying the media is infallible, but if you view the situation as evil billionaires and media forcing gun rights, private healthcare, and ICE on oppressed Americans, you're drawing battle lines in a way that doesn't make sense.

khalic 9mo ago

I don’t think anybody should be telling you your moral imperatives, if the situation warrants a popular uprising, you won’t have any doubt about it. Take care