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ICE should be disbanded and most of its leadership jailed for their crimes.

by oldjim798 9mo ago

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beeflet 9mo ago
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- mindslight 9mo ago
  No. The Constitution is the law, and everyone working for this regime is an anti-American traitor. I'm pretty sure the terror squads are wearing masks because if we could identify them, we would see most have been drawn from so-called "patriot" militias [0] and let loose to attack American cities under the color of law (which apparently now includes executing citizens). [0] the naming of which also turned out to be another lie, surprise surprise
- lovich 9mo ago
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  - beeflet 9mo ago
    I am an American, I just don't believe this idea that the law has anything to do with principles or a hard code of rules. That just isn't what I observe in practice, unless the enforcers of the law happen to be totally neutral to the conflict at hand. The law is enforced based on the general feelings of the people in power, and they will bend principles to punish/reward those that they perceive to be "bad" and "good" accordingly, based on their prejudices. The idea that "might makes right" is sort of a tautology. What you consider to be right is based on a historical precedent set by the mighty.
    - lovich 9mo ago
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- jcranmer 9mo ago
  Earlier today, an ICE officer murdered a woman, a story that's kind of dominated the news cycle today.
  - beeflet 9mo ago
    I think they may get away with it. Our head-of-state is already describing it as an act of self-defense.
    - jcranmer 9mo ago
      The president can do jack shit to stop a state prosecution, one of the blessed advantages of federalism.
      - beeflet 9mo ago
        That may be the case, I am not an expert in law. I hope there is some type of repercussion for the cop that point-blanks a random driver. I just don't hold much faith in the separation of power between state and federal government, it sounds like there has been a massive erosion of this barrier since the civil war and the abuse of the commerce clause and all that.
        nickthegreek 9mo ago
        A cop did not do this, an ice agent did. It might sound trivial, but it very much isn’t when it comes to prosecution in this circumstance.
      - esseph 9mo ago
        Maybe he cuts their federal funding by $10Bn until they drop the charge. Seems to be roughly the playbook.
      - websiteapi 9mo ago
        this is not true. why is this upvoted? first of all, ICE is federal. second, they were acting as part of "federal official" duties. it will be trivial to move any state prosecution to federal court.
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- preisschild 9mo ago
  Lol, no. NATO stopped the Genocide from Serbia, helps protect Ukraine against Genocide from Ruzzia and protected Europe from russian invasion and loss of human freedoms for many decades. NATO is a net positive for all of Humanity. And my country (unfortunately) isnt even in NATO.
  - orwin 9mo ago
    It's the UN that stopped the Serbs.
    - imcritic 9mo ago
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      - preisschild 9mo ago
        Oh no. Maybe dont start a genocide then you won't get bombed.
      - orwin 9mo ago
        No, NATO bombing lifted the Sarajevo siege (and killed ~500 civilians), and since the conflict lasted less than 3 weeks after that, saying 'initiating further conflicts on former Yugoslavian lands' is factually wrong. My non-explicit point was that the Serbs were stopped by the UN peacekeepers, who stopped the advance and _a lot_ of rapes (which seemed to be the Serb army favourite tactic against civilians for some reason). NATO bombing did lift the siege and is said to have stopped the war, which is technically the truth but not really: basically the Serbs couldn't advance and tried to settle for a land grab. NATO bombing prevented the land grab, but the war would have stopped the moment Sarajevo's siege ended. Was the Serb internal political pressure enough to stop the siege (thus the war) around the same time it ended anyway? Impossible to know.
sph 9mo ago
Yeah by whom?
rootusrootus 9mo ago
I won’t be shocked if the next president includes defunding ICE as a major campaign promise.

ICE should be disbanded and most of its leadership jailed for their crimes.

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beeflet 9mo ago

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mindslight 9mo ago
No. The Constitution is the law, and everyone working for this regime is an anti-American traitor. I'm pretty sure the terror squads are wearing masks because if we could identify them, we would see most have been drawn from so-called "patriot" militias [0] and let loose to attack American cities under the color of law (which apparently now includes executing citizens). [0] the naming of which also turned out to be another lie, surprise surprise
lovich 9mo ago
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- beeflet 9mo ago
  I am an American, I just don't believe this idea that the law has anything to do with principles or a hard code of rules. That just isn't what I observe in practice, unless the enforcers of the law happen to be totally neutral to the conflict at hand. The law is enforced based on the general feelings of the people in power, and they will bend principles to punish/reward those that they perceive to be "bad" and "good" accordingly, based on their prejudices. The idea that "might makes right" is sort of a tautology. What you consider to be right is based on a historical precedent set by the mighty.
  - lovich 9mo ago
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jcranmer 9mo ago
Earlier today, an ICE officer murdered a woman, a story that's kind of dominated the news cycle today.
- beeflet 9mo ago
  I think they may get away with it. Our head-of-state is already describing it as an act of self-defense.
  - jcranmer 9mo ago
    The president can do jack shit to stop a state prosecution, one of the blessed advantages of federalism.
    - beeflet 9mo ago
      That may be the case, I am not an expert in law. I hope there is some type of repercussion for the cop that point-blanks a random driver. I just don't hold much faith in the separation of power between state and federal government, it sounds like there has been a massive erosion of this barrier since the civil war and the abuse of the commerce clause and all that.
      - nickthegreek 9mo ago
        A cop did not do this, an ice agent did. It might sound trivial, but it very much isn’t when it comes to prosecution in this circumstance.
    - esseph 9mo ago
      Maybe he cuts their federal funding by $10Bn until they drop the charge. Seems to be roughly the playbook.
    - websiteapi 9mo ago
      this is not true. why is this upvoted? first of all, ICE is federal. second, they were acting as part of "federal official" duties. it will be trivial to move any state prosecution to federal court.

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preisschild 9mo ago
Lol, no. NATO stopped the Genocide from Serbia, helps protect Ukraine against Genocide from Ruzzia and protected Europe from russian invasion and loss of human freedoms for many decades. NATO is a net positive for all of Humanity. And my country (unfortunately) isnt even in NATO.
- orwin 9mo ago
  It's the UN that stopped the Serbs.
  - imcritic 9mo ago
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    - preisschild 9mo ago
      Oh no. Maybe dont start a genocide then you won't get bombed.
    - orwin 9mo ago
      No, NATO bombing lifted the Sarajevo siege (and killed ~500 civilians), and since the conflict lasted less than 3 weeks after that, saying 'initiating further conflicts on former Yugoslavian lands' is factually wrong. My non-explicit point was that the Serbs were stopped by the UN peacekeepers, who stopped the advance and _a lot_ of rapes (which seemed to be the Serb army favourite tactic against civilians for some reason). NATO bombing did lift the siege and is said to have stopped the war, which is technically the truth but not really: basically the Serbs couldn't advance and tried to settle for a land grab. NATO bombing prevented the land grab, but the war would have stopped the moment Sarajevo's siege ended. Was the Serb internal political pressure enough to stop the siege (thus the war) around the same time it ended anyway? Impossible to know.

sph 9mo ago

Yeah by whom?

rootusrootus 9mo ago

I won’t be shocked if the next president includes defunding ICE as a major campaign promise.