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you can get protein powder that doesn't contain artificial sweeteners. You can get protein powder that doesn't contain any sweetener. You can even buy pure pr

you can get protein powder that doesn't contain artificial sweeteners. You can get protein powder that doesn't contain any sweetener. You can even buy pure protein powder without any additives at all.

thesz 10mo ago
Humans are top predators. We eat more meat of various kind than any other predators, including other predators like bears. Lions can't eat ducks or chickens. We can and do. Why should I, as a top predator, drink a protein powder instead eating a meat of a big mammal?
- NewJazz 10mo ago
  You should acknowledge when you shift the goal posts.
  - thesz 10mo ago
    [flagged]
    - serf 10mo ago
      OK. Well, the way you wrote this sentence : > I used to drink protein shakes, but now I am actively against these. Artificial sweeteners provoke insulin release [1] [2] that leads to type-II diabetes. makes it read , structurally, like the artificial sweetener is the reasoning behind why you're against protein shakes. Call it what you want , but to an outsider reading in it looks like you're later moving the goal posts from 'artificial sweetener is bad' to 'unnatural diets are bad' later in the dialogue. What most people would have done , if their opinion was that unnatural diets were bad, would be to say that rather than a specific subset of that unnatural diet (artificial sweetener). With that explained as such can you see why some might think of it as goal-post moving ? If not, why?
      - thesz 10mo ago
        > If not, why? Because it was only one of points ("goal posts") that had to be addressed during the conversation on diets. I addressed the point of artificial sweeteners, I then had to address other points. You see it as "moving goal posts," I see it as a continuation of conversation.
- Dylan16807 10mo ago
  I, okay? Next time don't make it sound like the reason you dislike protein shakes is sweeteners! Why did you drink them before, if you appear to fundamentally object to the idea?
  - thesz 10mo ago
    I did not know better that's why I drink them. Now I know better and I don't.
    - Dylan16807 10mo ago
      "know better" in what way, that applies to sweetener-free protein? You must have always known humans were apex predators, and that was the only non-sweetener reason you listed.
      - thesz 10mo ago
        I learned that humans are apex predators a couple of years ago. Meat contains essential fats to various degrees while protein powder does not at all. Usually, protein powder ([1] as an example) is not exactly matched to the human profile of amino acids [2], that means extraneous amino acids will be converted to glucose and stored as fat. [1] https://explosivewhey.com/blogs/fitness-nutrition/what-is-whey-protein-amino-acid-profile https://explosivewhey.com/blogs/fitness-nutrition/what-is-wh... [2] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11291443/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11291443/ Notice that ratio between leucine and methionine is 3/1 in consumption profile and is much higher in the whey protein profile. This leucine most probably will be wasted.
        Dylan16807 10mo ago
        You need to burn thousands of calories every day. Most of the protein you eat should get burned.
        thesz 10mo ago
- littlestymaar 10mo ago
  > including other predators like bears Bears are a terrible example to pick, as they aren't real “predators” in the first place. They are omnivorous, eating more fruits, roots and insects than meat, by far. Depending on their species and where they live they may eat fishes as well, but not that much meat at all. And of course as omnivorous ourselves, we eat far less meat than actual predators like wolves and felines.
- triceratops 10mo ago
  > Lions can't eat ducks or chickens. We can and do. As in they can't catch them? Or they can't survive on a diet of them? I'd be surprised if it was the latter.
  - thesz 10mo ago
    The cannot catch them so they are not adapted to them. Our cat does not eat lamb as he is not adapted to lamb, but he does eat a lot of duck purring to the skies.
    - triceratops 10mo ago
      Do you have a source for lions not being able to subsist on a diet of poultry?
      - rascul 10mo ago
        Seems like it would take a lot of chickens to maintain a lion, and that would possibly require a large amount of effort for little gain compared to larger game. Lions can definitely catch chickens if there are some around and they care to.
        triceratops 10mo ago
        I meant in a zoo. Of course it's not realistic for a lion in the wild to live exclusively off poultry. The person I responded to seemed to seems to believe lions eating only poultry would develop nutritional deficiencies of some kind. Maybe that's true but I'm interested to learn if there are sources. Not just gut feel "they don't eat them in the wild so they can't do it".
      - thesz 10mo ago
        Lions can subsist on a diet of poultry, but suboptimally. If we assume that lions' best diet is beef [1], then chicken [2] would be less optimal for them. [1] https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/171797/100g/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/171797/100g/... [2] https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/171140/wt9/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/171140/wt9/1 Look at the amino acid ratios. Leucine to valine ratio is about 0.66 for chicken and 0.8 for beef. This means that protein synthesis will be bound by valine in case of chicken and what is not used in the protein synthesis will be converted to glucose and then stored as fat. Chicken will be about 80% (0.66/0.8) as nutritious as beef, judging just by two essential amino acids ratio.
- sidrag22 10mo ago
  agree with the people that say you are moving the goal posts, but to answer this question anyway... As someone who lifted for a good handful of years, there are a few reasons i used protein powder, it was a very affordable way to add 25-50g of protein and some random fruits or peanut butter or whatever(i'd usually blend up a shake). It was also a good way as someone who struggles to eat a surplus, to hit my goals as it just went down way easier than an additional full meal. It is ALSO easier to cut weight and maintain protein goals by utilizing simply water and protein powder. when it came time for me to cut, im simply swapping milk for water, and removing the peanut butter, and suddenly that "meal" is ~400 calories less. So the very simple answer? convenience/affordability.
  - thesz 10mo ago
    I use intermittent fasting, 18+ hours fasting between meals. It is convenient, it is affordable, it gives me ketones to squat 140kg for twenty (20) reps being 54 years old without, literally, breaking a sweat, and, before all, raises blood concentration of brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF). Fat's thermal food effect is 3% of fat's energy, while sugar and amino acids have 8 to 10 times more of their energy converted to heat (25% and 30%). That thermal effect raises the body temperature and makes body to sweat. Ketogenic diet also allow for fat burn through the year, not at the cut stage only. I once managed to burn fat and bulk at the same time, burning 2 kg of fat and adding 4.5 kg of lean mass in three months, just by switching to intermittent fasting and hypertrophy-specific training. Without PEDs - they interfere with thinking.
    - samiv 10mo ago
      Hello, very similar story here. Been weight training for 30 years and focusing on natural body building for the past 5 years. I struggled a lot with my nutrition and eating "regular food" always mad me fat. I tried various keto and low carb variants but never made it work and always hit a wall after 2-3 weeks. UNTIL I discovered intermittent fasting. After having done the intermittent fasting for about 5 years I started another low carb/keto journey but this time I went all in on fat and protein. No holding back. And I also cut excessive vegetables (especially the raw stuff). So now I'm eating all the eggs, meat, butter, bacon as much as I want. About a year in. The results so far.. dropped 4kg body fat and put on 2kg of muscle.
- temp0826 10mo ago
  > Why should I, as a top predator, ... I can't imagine anyone actually saying this with a straight face (also I am totally using this line for everything now). What a way to view oneself!
- b00ty4breakfast 10mo ago
  Dawg, you buy meat at the grocery store. you aren't an apex predator out here running down water buffaloes and dik-diks on the savannas of Africa with spear in-hand.
  - serf 10mo ago
    our genetics haven't had the time to figure that out, yet. that's parents' point ( I think ? )
- lifis 10mo ago
  Actually humans are most similar to chimpanzees and bonobos, which eat meat but very little and mostly eat fruits, nuts and seeds.
  - thesz 10mo ago
    Chimpanzees have greater gut to support their longer intestines, which they need to digest fibrous food.
- otikik 10mo ago
  One has to be very careful when drawing parallelisms from the animal kingdom. Lions challenge the dominant male, and if they win, they kill all of their offspring and take all of their females. Hopefully you are not doing that with every male you encounter that happens to be physically weaker than you.
_bent 10mo ago
thanks for the dietary advice, b00ty4breakfast

thesz 10mo ago

Humans are top predators. We eat more meat of various kind than any other predators, including other predators like bears. Lions can't eat ducks or chickens. We can and do. Why should I, as a top predator, drink a protein powder instead eating a meat of a big mammal?

NewJazz 10mo ago
You should acknowledge when you shift the goal posts.
- thesz 10mo ago
  [flagged]
  - serf 10mo ago
    OK. Well, the way you wrote this sentence : > I used to drink protein shakes, but now I am actively against these. Artificial sweeteners provoke insulin release [1] [2] that leads to type-II diabetes. makes it read , structurally, like the artificial sweetener is the reasoning behind why you're against protein shakes. Call it what you want , but to an outsider reading in it looks like you're later moving the goal posts from 'artificial sweetener is bad' to 'unnatural diets are bad' later in the dialogue. What most people would have done , if their opinion was that unnatural diets were bad, would be to say that rather than a specific subset of that unnatural diet (artificial sweetener). With that explained as such can you see why some might think of it as goal-post moving ? If not, why?
    - thesz 10mo ago
      > If not, why? Because it was only one of points ("goal posts") that had to be addressed during the conversation on diets. I addressed the point of artificial sweeteners, I then had to address other points. You see it as "moving goal posts," I see it as a continuation of conversation.
Dylan16807 10mo ago
I, okay? Next time don't make it sound like the reason you dislike protein shakes is sweeteners! Why did you drink them before, if you appear to fundamentally object to the idea?
- thesz 10mo ago
  I did not know better that's why I drink them. Now I know better and I don't.
  - Dylan16807 10mo ago
    "know better" in what way, that applies to sweetener-free protein? You must have always known humans were apex predators, and that was the only non-sweetener reason you listed.
    - thesz 10mo ago
      I learned that humans are apex predators a couple of years ago. Meat contains essential fats to various degrees while protein powder does not at all. Usually, protein powder ([1] as an example) is not exactly matched to the human profile of amino acids [2], that means extraneous amino acids will be converted to glucose and stored as fat. [1] https://explosivewhey.com/blogs/fitness-nutrition/what-is-whey-protein-amino-acid-profile https://explosivewhey.com/blogs/fitness-nutrition/what-is-wh... [2] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11291443/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11291443/ Notice that ratio between leucine and methionine is 3/1 in consumption profile and is much higher in the whey protein profile. This leucine most probably will be wasted.
      - Dylan16807 10mo ago
        You need to burn thousands of calories every day. Most of the protein you eat should get burned.
        thesz 10mo ago
littlestymaar 10mo ago
> including other predators like bears Bears are a terrible example to pick, as they aren't real “predators” in the first place. They are omnivorous, eating more fruits, roots and insects than meat, by far. Depending on their species and where they live they may eat fishes as well, but not that much meat at all. And of course as omnivorous ourselves, we eat far less meat than actual predators like wolves and felines.
triceratops 10mo ago
> Lions can't eat ducks or chickens. We can and do. As in they can't catch them? Or they can't survive on a diet of them? I'd be surprised if it was the latter.
- thesz 10mo ago
  The cannot catch them so they are not adapted to them. Our cat does not eat lamb as he is not adapted to lamb, but he does eat a lot of duck purring to the skies.
  - triceratops 10mo ago
    Do you have a source for lions not being able to subsist on a diet of poultry?
    - rascul 10mo ago
      Seems like it would take a lot of chickens to maintain a lion, and that would possibly require a large amount of effort for little gain compared to larger game. Lions can definitely catch chickens if there are some around and they care to.
      - triceratops 10mo ago
        I meant in a zoo. Of course it's not realistic for a lion in the wild to live exclusively off poultry. The person I responded to seemed to seems to believe lions eating only poultry would develop nutritional deficiencies of some kind. Maybe that's true but I'm interested to learn if there are sources. Not just gut feel "they don't eat them in the wild so they can't do it".
    - thesz 10mo ago
      Lions can subsist on a diet of poultry, but suboptimally. If we assume that lions' best diet is beef [1], then chicken [2] would be less optimal for them. [1] https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/171797/100g/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/171797/100g/... [2] https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/171140/wt9/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/171140/wt9/1 Look at the amino acid ratios. Leucine to valine ratio is about 0.66 for chicken and 0.8 for beef. This means that protein synthesis will be bound by valine in case of chicken and what is not used in the protein synthesis will be converted to glucose and then stored as fat. Chicken will be about 80% (0.66/0.8) as nutritious as beef, judging just by two essential amino acids ratio.
sidrag22 10mo ago
agree with the people that say you are moving the goal posts, but to answer this question anyway... As someone who lifted for a good handful of years, there are a few reasons i used protein powder, it was a very affordable way to add 25-50g of protein and some random fruits or peanut butter or whatever(i'd usually blend up a shake). It was also a good way as someone who struggles to eat a surplus, to hit my goals as it just went down way easier than an additional full meal. It is ALSO easier to cut weight and maintain protein goals by utilizing simply water and protein powder. when it came time for me to cut, im simply swapping milk for water, and removing the peanut butter, and suddenly that "meal" is ~400 calories less. So the very simple answer? convenience/affordability.
- thesz 10mo ago
  I use intermittent fasting, 18+ hours fasting between meals. It is convenient, it is affordable, it gives me ketones to squat 140kg for twenty (20) reps being 54 years old without, literally, breaking a sweat, and, before all, raises blood concentration of brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF). Fat's thermal food effect is 3% of fat's energy, while sugar and amino acids have 8 to 10 times more of their energy converted to heat (25% and 30%). That thermal effect raises the body temperature and makes body to sweat. Ketogenic diet also allow for fat burn through the year, not at the cut stage only. I once managed to burn fat and bulk at the same time, burning 2 kg of fat and adding 4.5 kg of lean mass in three months, just by switching to intermittent fasting and hypertrophy-specific training. Without PEDs - they interfere with thinking.
  - samiv 10mo ago
    Hello, very similar story here. Been weight training for 30 years and focusing on natural body building for the past 5 years. I struggled a lot with my nutrition and eating "regular food" always mad me fat. I tried various keto and low carb variants but never made it work and always hit a wall after 2-3 weeks. UNTIL I discovered intermittent fasting. After having done the intermittent fasting for about 5 years I started another low carb/keto journey but this time I went all in on fat and protein. No holding back. And I also cut excessive vegetables (especially the raw stuff). So now I'm eating all the eggs, meat, butter, bacon as much as I want. About a year in. The results so far.. dropped 4kg body fat and put on 2kg of muscle.
temp0826 10mo ago
> Why should I, as a top predator, ... I can't imagine anyone actually saying this with a straight face (also I am totally using this line for everything now). What a way to view oneself!
b00ty4breakfast 10mo ago
Dawg, you buy meat at the grocery store. you aren't an apex predator out here running down water buffaloes and dik-diks on the savannas of Africa with spear in-hand.
- serf 10mo ago
  our genetics haven't had the time to figure that out, yet. that's parents' point ( I think ? )
lifis 10mo ago
Actually humans are most similar to chimpanzees and bonobos, which eat meat but very little and mostly eat fruits, nuts and seeds.
- thesz 10mo ago
  Chimpanzees have greater gut to support their longer intestines, which they need to digest fibrous food.
otikik 10mo ago
One has to be very careful when drawing parallelisms from the animal kingdom. Lions challenge the dominant male, and if they win, they kill all of their offspring and take all of their females. Hopefully you are not doing that with every male you encounter that happens to be physically weaker than you.

_bent 10mo ago

thanks for the dietary advice, b00ty4breakfast