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What lunacy?

by tomcam 9mo ago

What lunacy?

deepsquirrelnet 9mo ago
AI generated health report citing hallucinated research and incorrectly representing real research.
binarymax 9mo ago
Staunch anti-vaccine, and he's tearing apart the CDC wit regards to the same.
ekjhgkejhgk 9mo ago
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cr125rider 9mo ago
We don’t need good vaccines anymore even though infectious diseases are on the rise. Other global medical experts seem to be going against many of his plans.
- alterom 9mo ago
  > We don’t need good vaccines anymore even though infectious diseases are on the rise To clarify, this is an example of RFK's lunacy, not the user's opinion to be voted on.
- vscode-rest 9mo ago
  The end result of his vax push has been to reduce the set of government required vaccines down to the same set used by Europe already. Additional vaccination is still available should an individual elect. Are you of the opinion that the European recommendation is insufficient? Would you petition European healthcare industry that they are requiring too few vaccines? If so, I would expect Europeans to be chronically far more diseased than Americans, do we see that in the data?
  - amanaplanacanal 9mo ago
    The argument I've seen is that because the US has worse medical care in general, it makes sense to get more vaccinations.
  - j0057 9mo ago
    I haven't particularly kept up with RFKs brand of MAGA craziness, but all European countries have different childhood vaccination schedules, with some overlap, see here: https://vaccination-info.europa.eu/en/about-vaccines/when-vaccinate/vaccination-schedules-eueea https://vaccination-info.europa.eu/en/about-vaccines/when-va...
    - vscode-rest 9mo ago
      The superset of all Euro vaccines is still much smaller than what the US had. Are we that much healthier?
      - davorak 9mo ago
        What is on the US schedule that is not on Euro schedule?
        burkaman 9mo ago
        Here's the US vaccine schedule pre-RFK: https://archive.cdc.gov/#/details?q=schedule&start=0&rows=10&url=https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/prior-years/2022/child-adolescent-compliant.html https://archive.cdc.gov/#/details?q=schedule&start=0&rows=10... Here's a site where you can view vaccine schedules across Europe: https://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/ https://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/ The only outlier is Hepatitis A, which is still recommended in some European countries. On the reverse side, the meningococcal vaccine is commonly scheduled in Europe but not in the US.
  - Izikiel43 9mo ago
    They are based on denmark's guidelines, which as you know is a very cold country. One of the vaccines made strictly optional was for dengue, which is not really a thing in denmark since I think they don't have that many mosquitos due to weather. However, in the US, mosquitos and tropical weather are common for a large part of the population. Point being, a huge country with a huge variety of climates and diseases shouldn't follow the lead of a small country with a fairly homogenous weather and disease pattern.
- tomcam 9mo ago
  Kennedy has never said anything like that
  - wsatb 9mo ago
    "There’s no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective." https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/scicheck-rfk-jr-incorrectly-denies-past-remarks-on-vaccine-safety-and-effectiveness/ https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/scicheck-rfk-jr-incorrectl...
    - tempaccountabcd 9mo ago
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  - burkaman 9mo ago
    Some direct, in-context quotes: > There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective. [interviewer pushes back, brings up polio vaccine] So if you say to me, “The polio vaccine, was it effective against polio?” I’m going to say, “Yes.” And if say to me, “Did it cause more death than avert?” I would say, “I don’t know, because we don’t have the data on that.” > The most popular vaccine in the world is the DTP vaccine. [...] That vaccine caused so many injuries that Wyeth, which was the manufacturer, said to the Reagan administration, “We are now paying $20 in downstream liabilities for every dollar that we’re making in profits, and we are getting out of the business unless you give us permanent immunity from liability.” And by the way, Reagan said at that time, “Why don’t you just make the vaccine safe?” And why is that? Because vaccines are inherently unsafe. They said, “Unavoidably unsafe, you cannot make them safe.” Not going quote the whole thing because it's long, but he repeatedly drives home his point that all vaccines are inherently unsafe, and the injuries and deaths they cause always outweigh their effectiveness against disease. - https://lexfridman.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-transcript/ https://lexfridman.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-transcript/ > I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, ‘Better not get him vaccinated.’ And he heard that from me. If he hears it from 10 other people, maybe he won’t do it, you know, maybe he will save that child. > If you’re one of 10 people that goes up to a guy, a man or a woman, who’s carrying a baby, and says, ‘Don’t vaccinate that baby,’ when they hear that from 10 people, it’ll make an impression on ‘em, you know. And we all kept our mouth shut. Don’t keep your mouth shut anymore. Confront everybody on it. - https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-way-forward/hffh-the-state-of-health-k0HvGSWJeNl/ https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-way-forward/hffh-th... timestamp 11:54, 13:30 This one is interesting because the interviewer prompts him with something like "we aren't anti-vaccine, we just want to make sure they're safe" and he does not agree, he repeatedly says, with no qualification, "tell everyone not to vaccinate their children". I don't believe he has ever voluntarily made a positive public comment about any vaccine. He did during his confirmation hearing, but he was obviously heavily incentivized to do so. During that hearing he did not say his opinion had changed, he simply lied about all past comments and claimed they never happened.
nancyminusone 9mo ago
It's true - none of his conspiracy theories involve the moon directly.
adezxc 9mo ago
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- jpadkins 9mo ago
  But he didn't say that. He cited the studies that said increased Paracetamol during pregnancy correlates with higher rates of autism, and people should know that and be careful. Whenever we discover a link between two things, it's important to share that in a responsible way. It takes years or a decade of research to prove causation, but we should issue warnings once a link is established. A lot of people can be harmed if the government does not publish when it finds harm that correlates with a substance.
  - AlecSchueler 9mo ago
    > and people should know that and be careful This implies a causal relationship.
    - tejohnso 9mo ago
      It think it implies uncertainty.
      - gtowey 9mo ago
        I am uncertain if space aliens will abduct me as I sleep, but it would be insane to factor that into my daily decision making. This is where it would help if the government would do the responsible thing and quantify the probability and talk about the risks of not taking medicine if you're pregnant and have a high fever. The fact that they aren't is a clear sign that this is absurd propaganda.
  - quentindanjou 9mo ago
    > He cited the studies A preprint citing 2 studies. With serious studies showing the opposite. You also seem to ignore that fever is a major, and well-proven cause of birth defects and these kinds of fake announcements based on no solid proof could lead part of the population to simply not take any fever-reducing medication by not being knowledgeable on which medicines are NSAID or not. All of this because of a promise that in the first 6 months of the mandate RFK would find "the great cause of autism", this was not because of a new study suddenly discovered.
thrance 9mo ago
Antivax, avocated against pasteurization, thinks fries are healthy when fried in beef tallow, swam in sewers with his grandkids to prove the human body is naturally immune to diseases and vaccines are unnecessary, tried to ban paracetamol based on bad research linking it to autism, and much more if you care to dig a little.
- tomcam 9mo ago
  He's never been anti-vax, though he has advocated for better data about vaccines with good reason--it's abominable. He's advocated against requiring milk to be pasteurized. One of the few reasonable datasets suggesting it doesn't help is the amish. The other ones sound weird so I will indeed dig a little.
  - FireBeyond 9mo ago
    Show us all how all the data on vaccines is "abominable".
    - cosmicgadget 9mo ago
      Don't you remember how everyone who got a covid vaccine died off two years later?
  - hairofadog 9mo ago
    While he moderates his take on it depending on who his audience is, he has said "There's no vaccine that is safe and effective." https://apnews.com/article/rfk-kennedy-election-2024-president-campaign-621c9e9641381a1b2677df9de5a09731 https://apnews.com/article/rfk-kennedy-election-2024-preside...
  - codeka 9mo ago
    > One of the few reasonable datasets suggesting it doesn't help is the amish When you literally live on the farm where the cow is milked, there is less benefit to pasteurization, yes. Unless you want us to live like the Amish, then let's keep our pasteurized milk, OK?
jjcm 9mo ago
Anti-vaccine, anti-tylenol, stating that circumcision causes autism, stating wireless 5G damages DNA, stating that vaccines are part of a anti-black conspiracy, hiv/aids denialism, believing that contrails are actually chemtrails, etc etc etc.
- tomcam 9mo ago
  Can you link to your strongest source for one of those claims?
  - Carp 9mo ago
    https://www.factcheck.org/2025/10/rfk-jr-s-inaccurate-claims-about-tylenol-circumcision-and-autism/ https://www.factcheck.org/2025/10/rfk-jr-s-inaccurate-claims...
- TehCorwiz 9mo ago
  Link to chemtrails comments: https://gizmodo.com/rfk-jr-goes-full-tinfoil-pledges-to-stop-chemtrails-in-latest-dr-phil-interview-2000596357 https://gizmodo.com/rfk-jr-goes-full-tinfoil-pledges-to-stop... Link to autism comments: https://www.cato.org/blog/circumcision-tylenol-autism-rfk-jr-misses-cut https://www.cato.org/blog/circumcision-tylenol-autism-rfk-jr... Misc including 5g comments: https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/11/15/rfk-jrs-conspiracy-theories-heres-what-trumps-pick-for-health-secretary-has-promoted/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/11/15/rfk-jrs-con...
  - tomcam 9mo ago
    The Cato.org one is interesting because it only speculates what might have influenced him, then attempts to debunk those sources. Obviously I feel like he should be providing his sources.
    - TehCorwiz 9mo ago
      I chose that source intentionally to underscore that nobody on any part of the political spectrum is actually contesting he said or believes these things. Regardless of how they choose to view them.
jmuguy 9mo ago
Listening to him talk about the Spanish Flu, and clearly not understand why secondary bacterial infections killed more people than the flu itself, was my personal point of "wow, this guy is an idiot".
burkaman 9mo ago
In his book "The Real Anthony Fauci" he spends a whole chapter claiming that HIV does not cause AIDS and it was actually caused by recreational drug use.
notaustinpowers 9mo ago
He believes germ theory is a creation of Big Pharma to push "patented pills, powders, pricks, potions, and poisons and the powerful professions of virology and vaccinology" He believes in the miasma theory and just maintaining a healthy immune is enough to keep you from getting sick. Just read his book, "The Real Anthony Fauci" and you'll realize that this man shouldn't be trusted to run a kindergarten nurses office.

What lunacy?

by tomcam 9mo ago

What lunacy?

deepsquirrelnet 9mo ago

AI generated health report citing hallucinated research and incorrectly representing real research.

binarymax 9mo ago

Staunch anti-vaccine, and he's tearing apart the CDC wit regards to the same.

ekjhgkejhgk 9mo ago

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cr125rider 9mo ago

We don’t need good vaccines anymore even though infectious diseases are on the rise. Other global medical experts seem to be going against many of his plans.

alterom 9mo ago
> We don’t need good vaccines anymore even though infectious diseases are on the rise To clarify, this is an example of RFK's lunacy, not the user's opinion to be voted on.
vscode-rest 9mo ago
The end result of his vax push has been to reduce the set of government required vaccines down to the same set used by Europe already. Additional vaccination is still available should an individual elect. Are you of the opinion that the European recommendation is insufficient? Would you petition European healthcare industry that they are requiring too few vaccines? If so, I would expect Europeans to be chronically far more diseased than Americans, do we see that in the data?
- amanaplanacanal 9mo ago
  The argument I've seen is that because the US has worse medical care in general, it makes sense to get more vaccinations.
- j0057 9mo ago
  I haven't particularly kept up with RFKs brand of MAGA craziness, but all European countries have different childhood vaccination schedules, with some overlap, see here: https://vaccination-info.europa.eu/en/about-vaccines/when-vaccinate/vaccination-schedules-eueea https://vaccination-info.europa.eu/en/about-vaccines/when-va...
  - vscode-rest 9mo ago
    The superset of all Euro vaccines is still much smaller than what the US had. Are we that much healthier?
    - davorak 9mo ago
      What is on the US schedule that is not on Euro schedule?
      - burkaman 9mo ago
        Here's the US vaccine schedule pre-RFK: https://archive.cdc.gov/#/details?q=schedule&start=0&rows=10&url=https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/prior-years/2022/child-adolescent-compliant.html https://archive.cdc.gov/#/details?q=schedule&start=0&rows=10... Here's a site where you can view vaccine schedules across Europe: https://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/ https://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/ The only outlier is Hepatitis A, which is still recommended in some European countries. On the reverse side, the meningococcal vaccine is commonly scheduled in Europe but not in the US.
- Izikiel43 9mo ago
  They are based on denmark's guidelines, which as you know is a very cold country. One of the vaccines made strictly optional was for dengue, which is not really a thing in denmark since I think they don't have that many mosquitos due to weather. However, in the US, mosquitos and tropical weather are common for a large part of the population. Point being, a huge country with a huge variety of climates and diseases shouldn't follow the lead of a small country with a fairly homogenous weather and disease pattern.
tomcam 9mo ago
Kennedy has never said anything like that
- wsatb 9mo ago
  "There’s no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective." https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/scicheck-rfk-jr-incorrectly-denies-past-remarks-on-vaccine-safety-and-effectiveness/ https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/scicheck-rfk-jr-incorrectl...
  - tempaccountabcd 9mo ago
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- burkaman 9mo ago
  Some direct, in-context quotes: > There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective. [interviewer pushes back, brings up polio vaccine] So if you say to me, “The polio vaccine, was it effective against polio?” I’m going to say, “Yes.” And if say to me, “Did it cause more death than avert?” I would say, “I don’t know, because we don’t have the data on that.” > The most popular vaccine in the world is the DTP vaccine. [...] That vaccine caused so many injuries that Wyeth, which was the manufacturer, said to the Reagan administration, “We are now paying $20 in downstream liabilities for every dollar that we’re making in profits, and we are getting out of the business unless you give us permanent immunity from liability.” And by the way, Reagan said at that time, “Why don’t you just make the vaccine safe?” And why is that? Because vaccines are inherently unsafe. They said, “Unavoidably unsafe, you cannot make them safe.” Not going quote the whole thing because it's long, but he repeatedly drives home his point that all vaccines are inherently unsafe, and the injuries and deaths they cause always outweigh their effectiveness against disease. - https://lexfridman.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-transcript/ https://lexfridman.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-transcript/ > I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, ‘Better not get him vaccinated.’ And he heard that from me. If he hears it from 10 other people, maybe he won’t do it, you know, maybe he will save that child. > If you’re one of 10 people that goes up to a guy, a man or a woman, who’s carrying a baby, and says, ‘Don’t vaccinate that baby,’ when they hear that from 10 people, it’ll make an impression on ‘em, you know. And we all kept our mouth shut. Don’t keep your mouth shut anymore. Confront everybody on it. - https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-way-forward/hffh-the-state-of-health-k0HvGSWJeNl/ https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-way-forward/hffh-th... timestamp 11:54, 13:30 This one is interesting because the interviewer prompts him with something like "we aren't anti-vaccine, we just want to make sure they're safe" and he does not agree, he repeatedly says, with no qualification, "tell everyone not to vaccinate their children". I don't believe he has ever voluntarily made a positive public comment about any vaccine. He did during his confirmation hearing, but he was obviously heavily incentivized to do so. During that hearing he did not say his opinion had changed, he simply lied about all past comments and claimed they never happened.

nancyminusone 9mo ago

It's true - none of his conspiracy theories involve the moon directly.

adezxc 9mo ago

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jpadkins 9mo ago
But he didn't say that. He cited the studies that said increased Paracetamol during pregnancy correlates with higher rates of autism, and people should know that and be careful. Whenever we discover a link between two things, it's important to share that in a responsible way. It takes years or a decade of research to prove causation, but we should issue warnings once a link is established. A lot of people can be harmed if the government does not publish when it finds harm that correlates with a substance.
- AlecSchueler 9mo ago
  > and people should know that and be careful This implies a causal relationship.
  - tejohnso 9mo ago
    It think it implies uncertainty.
    - gtowey 9mo ago
      I am uncertain if space aliens will abduct me as I sleep, but it would be insane to factor that into my daily decision making. This is where it would help if the government would do the responsible thing and quantify the probability and talk about the risks of not taking medicine if you're pregnant and have a high fever. The fact that they aren't is a clear sign that this is absurd propaganda.
- quentindanjou 9mo ago
  > He cited the studies A preprint citing 2 studies. With serious studies showing the opposite. You also seem to ignore that fever is a major, and well-proven cause of birth defects and these kinds of fake announcements based on no solid proof could lead part of the population to simply not take any fever-reducing medication by not being knowledgeable on which medicines are NSAID or not. All of this because of a promise that in the first 6 months of the mandate RFK would find "the great cause of autism", this was not because of a new study suddenly discovered.

thrance 9mo ago

Antivax, avocated against pasteurization, thinks fries are healthy when fried in beef tallow, swam in sewers with his grandkids to prove the human body is naturally immune to diseases and vaccines are unnecessary, tried to ban paracetamol based on bad research linking it to autism, and much more if you care to dig a little.

tomcam 9mo ago
He's never been anti-vax, though he has advocated for better data about vaccines with good reason--it's abominable. He's advocated against requiring milk to be pasteurized. One of the few reasonable datasets suggesting it doesn't help is the amish. The other ones sound weird so I will indeed dig a little.
- FireBeyond 9mo ago
  Show us all how all the data on vaccines is "abominable".
  - cosmicgadget 9mo ago
    Don't you remember how everyone who got a covid vaccine died off two years later?
- hairofadog 9mo ago
  While he moderates his take on it depending on who his audience is, he has said "There's no vaccine that is safe and effective." https://apnews.com/article/rfk-kennedy-election-2024-president-campaign-621c9e9641381a1b2677df9de5a09731 https://apnews.com/article/rfk-kennedy-election-2024-preside...
- codeka 9mo ago
  > One of the few reasonable datasets suggesting it doesn't help is the amish When you literally live on the farm where the cow is milked, there is less benefit to pasteurization, yes. Unless you want us to live like the Amish, then let's keep our pasteurized milk, OK?

jjcm 9mo ago

Anti-vaccine, anti-tylenol, stating that circumcision causes autism, stating wireless 5G damages DNA, stating that vaccines are part of a anti-black conspiracy, hiv/aids denialism, believing that contrails are actually chemtrails, etc etc etc.

tomcam 9mo ago
Can you link to your strongest source for one of those claims?
- Carp 9mo ago
  https://www.factcheck.org/2025/10/rfk-jr-s-inaccurate-claims-about-tylenol-circumcision-and-autism/ https://www.factcheck.org/2025/10/rfk-jr-s-inaccurate-claims...
TehCorwiz 9mo ago
Link to chemtrails comments: https://gizmodo.com/rfk-jr-goes-full-tinfoil-pledges-to-stop-chemtrails-in-latest-dr-phil-interview-2000596357 https://gizmodo.com/rfk-jr-goes-full-tinfoil-pledges-to-stop... Link to autism comments: https://www.cato.org/blog/circumcision-tylenol-autism-rfk-jr-misses-cut https://www.cato.org/blog/circumcision-tylenol-autism-rfk-jr... Misc including 5g comments: https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/11/15/rfk-jrs-conspiracy-theories-heres-what-trumps-pick-for-health-secretary-has-promoted/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/11/15/rfk-jrs-con...
- tomcam 9mo ago
  The Cato.org one is interesting because it only speculates what might have influenced him, then attempts to debunk those sources. Obviously I feel like he should be providing his sources.
  - TehCorwiz 9mo ago
    I chose that source intentionally to underscore that nobody on any part of the political spectrum is actually contesting he said or believes these things. Regardless of how they choose to view them.

jmuguy 9mo ago

Listening to him talk about the Spanish Flu, and clearly not understand why secondary bacterial infections killed more people than the flu itself, was my personal point of "wow, this guy is an idiot".

burkaman 9mo ago

In his book "The Real Anthony Fauci" he spends a whole chapter claiming that HIV does not cause AIDS and it was actually caused by recreational drug use.

notaustinpowers 9mo ago

He believes germ theory is a creation of Big Pharma to push "patented pills, powders, pricks, potions, and poisons and the powerful professions of virology and vaccinology" He believes in the miasma theory and just maintaining a healthy immune is enough to keep you from getting sick. Just read his book, "The Real Anthony Fauci" and you'll realize that this man shouldn't be trusted to run a kindergarten nurses office.