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- simlevesque 9mo agoI didn't ask how to do a bait and switch to offer a good free product and later ask for more money or else I'm going to make it worse. But I guess nuance is hard to understand. Also it's always funny when someone tries to look up your past instead of giving convincing arguments.
- jstummbillig 9mo agoArguments for... somebody wanting to get paid for their work? What are you doing?
- simlevesque 9mo agoNormally you ask for payment upfront, not years after.
- jstummbillig 9mo agoWho got asked to pay years after...? After what? Best read: You are confusing different products. Somebody can do two things and get paid for only one of them. Worst read: You are really trying to confuse them.
- patates 9mo agoNobody is asked for money years after they started using Tailwind. Nobody is being asked for money now, when they start using Tailwind.
- orthecreedence 9mo agoSo fork and offer your better free version. Holy fuck. What's with this persistent attitude that open source creators should slave away for free forever? Either you support an economy where everyone gets a meager living wage just for existing and then once that's established you can complain about people trying to make money off open source, or you say "capitalism as it exists is great" and swallow the fact that people who you don't pay don't work for you. Which is it?
- ozozozd 9mo agoOnce you give it for free, you must work for free forever! /s
- w4yai 9mo agoPlease, just admit you're wrong. It's ok.
- krainboltgreene 9mo agoHere's a convincing argument: Pay me for some of my labor or you stop getting labor at all.
- simlevesque 9mo agoDon't tell me you're giving me something for free in the first place then. It's simple.
- patates 9mo agoThis attitude really tires open source maintainers enormously. They are not allowed to earn money connected to the thing they are giving away for free? I know there may have been some weird stuff going on lately (nginx, redis, etc.) but this is not one of them. It's okay to be confused, but please do not continue this.
- sb8244 9mo agoThis breaks down because Tailwind is not monetized, is completely free, and hasn't indicated it won't be. There is a corporate side with other features that has never been free. I pay for it because it's great. I'm not sure if you're purposefully misstating it at this point or not. Several people have corrected you and you seem to double down incorrectly each time.
- bkorte 9mo agoThere is no bait and switch and it's ridiculous to suggest there is. They have a free product and a paid product. They've used the documentation as an awareness channel for the paid product. The paid product influences and pays for the free product. A tail as old as time. They're not asking you to buy the paid product and they're not saying they are going to make it worse. Did you even read thread? He literally says "I totally see the value in the feature and I would like to find a way to add it." Not prioritizing it now does not make the product worse, it just doesn't make it better in this particular way today. How is this hard to understand?
- harryday 9mo ago> A tail as old as time. Eggcorn klaxon!
- wongarsu 9mo agoBut nobody is making tailwind worse. After closing this PR it is exactly as good as it was before the PR was opened
- delfinom 9mo agoThat's not a bait and switch my dude, lmao. Bait and switch only applies when the initial price is something other than $0 but still low.
- lloydatkinson 9mo agoDid you really go looking over years of their post history for this retort?
- hitekker 9mo agoGP could have remembered simlevesque's past posts and then just double-checked. The hypocrisy the GP noticed is strong enough to warrant a mention.
- lloydatkinson 9mo agoBit of a stretch to remember a random post from 9 years ago though
- tomhow 9mo agoPlease don't post dunks like this here. HN is for curious conversation and the guidelines ask us to be kind. We have no idea whether the thing they had in mind when they asked that question 8 years ago is relevant to what they think about the current topic. You could ask them rather than piling on like this.