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U.S. Attack to Seize Greenland Would End NATO, Danish Prime Minister Says
- tencentshill 10mo agoWhat exactly has NATO ever done for the USA, expressed in US dollars? That's the only reason Trump would bother keeping it around.
- Hikikomori 10mo agoThey spend many billions per year buying US weapons, not so much anymore though thanks to Trump.
- TheAlchemist 10mo agoThe only time NATO intervened militarly at the request of a member (through Article 5) in its history was actually for the benefit of the US.
- Beretta_Vexee 10mo agoExport sales of the F-35 are likely to decline sharply if NATO is ended.
- vinni2 10mo agoThey went to support them for war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
- tim333 9mo agoNATO was founded by the US to create peace in the world. Some part of its ~$160tn wealth is probably down to that.
- msie 10mo agoSounds like killing two birds with one stone for MAGA.
- geek_at 10mo agoand for Putin
- websiteapi 10mo agoPlease don’t make Mr. Trump excited.
- akagusu 10mo agoThe question is if NATO's members will defend Greenland from US
- 0928374082 10mo agoWhy do you think they wouldn't? We've seen this behaviour before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland#Sudeten_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland#Sudeten_Crisis Here is a recent picture, taken during discussions about Greenland: https://bilder.deutschlandfunk.de/72/d7/aa/c5/72d7aac5-be14-4a67-a869-c1e6ce16fcd8/frankreich-daenemark-praesident-macron-premierministerin-frederiksen-ostsee-unterwasserkabel-beschaedigungen-100-1920x1080.jpg https://bilder.deutschlandfunk.de/72/d7/aa/c5/72d7aac5-be14-... You probably recognise the woman on the left, the PM of Denmark. You may not recognise the dude on the right, but he comes from a country that gave us the motto which vocally expresses the solidarity he is physically expressing in the pic: "all for one, and one for all" If we may talk brass tacks, he also has several boomers that could lob a bus or a few at the new White House ballroom. Half an hour flight time if they didn't bother to leave their home base; shorter than that if they fired from somewhere in the Atlantic: https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/170705083720-04-emmanuel-macron-submarine.jpg https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/17070508372...
- hdgvhicv 10mo agoStarmer will fly to Mar-a-lago and return waving a piece of paper saying “peace in our time” It will only be when the US rolls the tanks into Quebec will Europe do something. What has happened before will happen again.
- innagadadavida 10mo agoThe Netflix series Turning Point talks about fall of the Berlin wall and the relevance of NATO after the Warsaw pact ended. Putin wanted NATO to end but his actions only made it stronger. It looks like this will collapse from the inside without the Russian involvment.
- Zigurd 10mo agoWithout overt Russian involvement.
- hairofadog 10mo agoI'm finding it hard to imagine a scenario in which this version of the United States would go to war to protect Europe, and I have little doubt that Putin and Trump have a handshake deal in which each will let the other carve up its neighbors. Putin gets Ukraine and Eastern Europe, Trump gets Greenland and parts of Central and South America. As much as I don't want it to be true, I believe NATO is dead.
- throw-the-towel 10mo agoWhat makes you think Putin has the ability to let, or not to let, Trump do something in the Americas?
- hairofadog 10mo agoMaybe "let" was the wrong word. I think Putin has the ability to bribe, persuade, and/or blackmail Trump to sell the interests of the United States for Trump's own personal gain, and I think Trump admires Putin. If Putin has no influence, a person might wonder why Trump's foreign policy has aligned so closely with Putin's geopolitical goals.
- 0928374082 10mo agoSee also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact#Consequences_in_Finland,_Poland,_the_Baltic_States_and_Romania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact#Conseq...
- CamperBob2 10mo agoHere's a question for you: if the dumbest conspiracy theories you've ever heard turn out to be true, and Trump really is a captive Russian asset, what would he do differently?
- bluecalm 9mo agoHe could for example make oil prices much higher which would be great for Russia. Many ways to do that as well by causing unrest or military conflict in Middle East. Instead it seems USA is insisting on embargos to make Russia struggle even more and it's EU countries that continue to buy Russian resources by side channels.
- Zigurd 10mo agoRussia invading Ukraine caused an expansion of NATO. If the US attacks Greenland, it might not end NATO. Instead it could cause Switzerland and Austria and maybe even Mexico to join NATO. It might even precipitate a euro-pseudo-NATO to put boots on the ground in Ukraine.
- hurubaw 10mo agoI mean, if US invades Greenland, which is part of Denmark (a Nato country), all other NATO countries would be obliged to help defend Greenland under the 5th article against the aggressor... so the US. US being the biggest contributor of NATO, effectively NATO would be no more. Man the Russians intelligence services are good. Their subtle plays in the US politics are close to bringing them the world order they have always wanted.
- JohnFen 10mo ago> effectively NATO would be no more. I'm not convinced this would be the automatic result, but it would certainly be the opening shots of a new world war, with the US as the bad guys this time.
- Zigurd 10mo agoThe US has about 80,000 troops stationed in Europe. That's a lot. But non-US NATO armies have over 3 million troops. 2026 NATO isn't anything like 1970s NATO.
- belter 10mo agoIf the U.S. were to invade Denmark, Article 5 would not apply. It requires consensus, and the U.S. would never agree to collective action against itself, so any response would be blocked. Conflicts between NATO members like happened in the past between Greece and Turkey four times, while they were both part of NATO, have never triggered Article 5. The alliance is built to deter external attacks, not wars among its own members. In practice, after such a move, you can be sure that not a single ASML machine would ever be sold to the U.S. again.
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- mrtksn 10mo agoIMHO EU politicians are way behind the EU public in this regard. They are incapable of thinking of Europe without USA and are terrified that it will hurt the economy or something. However the public is much more ready to break clean of US and endure the perceived short term pain for the perceived dignity and opportunities. Screw this up too and EU will lose all its mainstream pro-US politicians and they will all be replaced with extremes as long as those extremes promise getting rid of USA. Whatever Trump is doing its going to be as successful as his private business ventures. Europeans are vengeful, Tesla never recovered from Musks behavior. USA will also not recover, all those 2T market capitalization companies will have to start justifying those valuations without the EU market and likely without the rest of the world too because it will only accelerate China's influence in the other parts of the world as US will cement its position as dangerous imperialist that better stay away. All that capital that US has will mean nothing at war time, intellectual properties and royalties will cease to be valuable. If the EU rich flee to USA they will not be taking the factories with them, extremist war time governments will take away their properties. Relationships will be forged without US influence, working with Russia and Iran for energy and working with China will become much simpler as many of the issues between EU and these nations stem from USA's grip on Europe.
- mongol 10mo agoI am not sure if I read you right but if you mean that there will be significant grass roots efforts in Europe to boycott anything from the US, I think you are right.
- mrtksn 10mo agoRight, IMHO there will be significant boycott targeting anything US or anyone advocating for US. Those who love their iPhones may stay with the iPhones but they will vote in people who will get rid of iPhones and get forced to switch to Korean or Chinese brand without being too upset about it. Internet cables will be cut if that's necessary to get rid of US tech. Bank accounts will be frozen, data centers taken over and no one will pay attention to naysayers and those who preach profits and business opportunities. Trump and anything he stands for is just too repulsive for anyone in Europe already. Europe's relatively weak startup culture doesn't come from regulations, it's not like Italians demand lab grown meat and the French demand long working hours but their usurper doesn't allow them. It's quite the opposite, Europeans demand a life with dignity above everything else and Trump is the antithesis of it.
- belter 10mo ago“The United States should be the nation that has Greenland as part of our overall security apparatus.” - Stephen Miller (2026) “How important the expansion of our people’s living space (Lebensraum) was…” - Adolf Hitler (1939) “What is the basis of their territorial claim? What is the basis of having Greenland as a colony of Denmark? - Stephen Miller (2026) “The boundaries of the year 1914 mean nothing at all for the German future.” - Adolf Hitler (1939) “We live in a world governed by force, power and might.” - Stephen Miller (2026) “The victor will always be the judge, and the vanquished the accused.” - Hermann Göring “No one is going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland.” - Stephen Miller (2026) “I have only to step in, and they will collapse. The Western democracies will not move.” - Adolf Hitler (1938) “For us to guarantee security in the Arctic… Greenland must be part of the United States.” - Stephen Miller (2026) “If the German people are to survive, they must secure the land necessary for their existence.” - Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) “We’re a superpower…we are going to conduct ourselves as a superpower.” - Stephen Miller (2026) “A great people must secure the territory necessary for its future.” - Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) “The future of the free world depends on America asserting ourselves and our interests without apology.” - Stephen Miller (2026) “I will proceed with my plans even if the whole world were to oppose me.” - Adolf Hitler (1939) “We’d be interested in Greenland. I know Denmark owns it, but they can’t say no.” - Donald Trump (2019) “Germany has the right to unite with her own people, and no power can deny that.” - Adolf Hitler (1938) “When somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total.” - Donald Trump (2020) “Everything within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.” - Benito Mussolini “We reject the ideology of globalism, and we embrace the doctrine of patriotism.” - Donald Trump (2018) “We do not subscribe to the fiction of international law when it conflicts with the life of the nation.” - Joseph Goebbels
- fragmede 10mo agoHow about that Epstein thing?
- tim333 9mo agoTrump's probably been talked into trying to take Greenland by Russia for just that reason.