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Is it plausible that the libraries are so big? I mean, for example, NodeJS is in the order of 100mb and contains the whole v8 engine. The Gmail app size has to

Is it plausible that the libraries are so big? I mean, for example, NodeJS is in the order of 100mb and contains the whole v8 engine. The Gmail app size has to be assets, right?

reactordev 10mo ago
Static linking will do that. Imagine you have 400mb of binary objects your app depends on. Libraries your company uses for app analytics, SSO, 2FA, Corporate service bus api, etc. You statically link all those for your 50mb Swift UI app and bam, you’re in the 700mb range.
- chasil 10mo ago
  The use of Go will definitely do that, as it prefers to statically link everything. https://go.dev/wiki/Mobile https://go.dev/wiki/Mobile If we had an entire POSIX OS built with Go, then we would be back to statically-linked UNIX prior to BSD. https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/golang-statically-and-dynamically-linked-go-binaries/ https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/golang-statically-and-dyna...
  - reactordev 10mo ago
    can you build a Swift UI in go?
    - chasil 10mo ago
      There is a single mention of Swift on the developer page that I posted. "Note that you can also invoke GoHelloGreetings from Swift by importing Hello." @import Hello // ... let msg = Hello.GoHelloGreetings("gopher")
      - reactordev 10mo ago
        Oh lord…
- tormeh 10mo ago
  That's a lot of code, though. I can't imagine common libraries so big. The Linux kernel is less than 100mb.
  - lxgr 10mo ago
    The neat thing about code is that there's no upper limit on how inefficient one can get.
    - HPsquared 10mo ago
      It's literally "work expands to fill the available time" (s/time/cycles and memory/)
  - yobbo 10mo ago
    That would be the source code. The default debian kernel is around 12 MB but it could be much smaller. It doesn't bundle full random external libraries compiled with debugging symbols and "whatever other stuff".
tgsovlerkhgsel 10mo ago
You'd be surprised what ends up dragged into where when you have a build system that makes it easy. Just look at the npm.js mess (and what kind of things ended up depending on what kind of other thing) if you want an example.

Is it plausible that the libraries are so big? I mean, for example, NodeJS is in the order of 100mb and contains the whole v8 engine. The Gmail app size has to be assets, right?

reactordev 10mo ago

Static linking will do that. Imagine you have 400mb of binary objects your app depends on. Libraries your company uses for app analytics, SSO, 2FA, Corporate service bus api, etc. You statically link all those for your 50mb Swift UI app and bam, you’re in the 700mb range.

chasil 10mo ago
The use of Go will definitely do that, as it prefers to statically link everything. https://go.dev/wiki/Mobile https://go.dev/wiki/Mobile If we had an entire POSIX OS built with Go, then we would be back to statically-linked UNIX prior to BSD. https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/golang-statically-and-dynamically-linked-go-binaries/ https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/golang-statically-and-dyna...
- reactordev 10mo ago
  can you build a Swift UI in go?
  - chasil 10mo ago
    There is a single mention of Swift on the developer page that I posted. "Note that you can also invoke GoHelloGreetings from Swift by importing Hello." @import Hello // ... let msg = Hello.GoHelloGreetings("gopher")
    - reactordev 10mo ago
      Oh lord…
tormeh 10mo ago
That's a lot of code, though. I can't imagine common libraries so big. The Linux kernel is less than 100mb.
- lxgr 10mo ago
  The neat thing about code is that there's no upper limit on how inefficient one can get.
  - HPsquared 10mo ago
    It's literally "work expands to fill the available time" (s/time/cycles and memory/)
- yobbo 10mo ago
  That would be the source code. The default debian kernel is around 12 MB but it could be much smaller. It doesn't bundle full random external libraries compiled with debugging symbols and "whatever other stuff".

tgsovlerkhgsel 10mo ago

You'd be surprised what ends up dragged into where when you have a build system that makes it easy. Just look at the npm.js mess (and what kind of things ended up depending on what kind of other thing) if you want an example.