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Google won't tell you this because they believe it would reveal information to scammers.

by dekhn 10mo ago

tempestn 10mo ago
That's Kafkaesque. We're not talking about SEO here, just simple proof of identity. If they require something sane like ID, they could simply say so. If they need something insane, or have no process at all for proving identity, then this is no excuse.
- thaumasiotes 10mo ago
  In this case, a more likely explanation might be "Google won't do this because it would put you in a position to obligate them to do something else". There isn't really a risk of enabling scammers to issue false DMCA takedowns; as you note, that issue is resolved by requiring proof of ownership.
  - SR2Z 10mo ago
    The only way to demonstrate that you own copyright to a piece of content is by going to court.
    - thaumasiotes 10mo ago
      If that were true, how would the judge know who to rule for? Are you saying that anyone can become the owner of any intellectual property simply by filing a lawsuit?
      - SR2Z 10mo ago
        Not all intellectual property is the same. Trademarks have to be registered, patents have to be filed, but copyright is automatically granted by law whenever someone creates a work. Trademark issues are therefore really simple: is the user of the trademark the one who has it registered or not? But copyright holders don't have any standard, obvious evidence they can point to that shows it's really their copyright. They can file a DMCA, in which case companies normally just assume the complaint is accurate - but if the party on the other end objects, the case has to go to a judge who will determine who actually has the copyright and if infringement occurred.
ipython 10mo ago
but then why have a process at all?
- pixl97 10mo ago
  So they don't get sued again by record companies.
digitalPhonix 10mo ago
That’s like saying the DMV won’t tell you how to prove your identity because if they did people would use that info to get fake driving licences
- dekhn 10mo ago
  The DMV is not a private company with enormous amounts of fraud/scam. Anyway, it's what I was told when I joined Google Ads a long time ago and it seems consistent with their philosophy and behavior.
  - digitalPhonix 10mo ago
    > The DMV is not a private company with enormous amounts of fraud/scam. So it sounds like their policy of having a high bar for proving identity but still publicising what is required to meet that bar works for preventing fraud? If anything, your argument is an indictment against Google.

Google won't tell you this because they believe it would reveal information to scammers.

by dekhn 10mo ago

Google won't tell you this because they believe it would reveal information to scammers.

That's Kafkaesque. We're not talking about SEO here, just simple proof of identity. If they require something sane like ID, they could simply say so. If they need something insane, or have no process at all for proving identity, then this is no excuse.

thaumasiotes 10mo ago
In this case, a more likely explanation might be "Google won't do this because it would put you in a position to obligate them to do something else". There isn't really a risk of enabling scammers to issue false DMCA takedowns; as you note, that issue is resolved by requiring proof of ownership.
- SR2Z 10mo ago
  The only way to demonstrate that you own copyright to a piece of content is by going to court.
  - thaumasiotes 10mo ago
    If that were true, how would the judge know who to rule for? Are you saying that anyone can become the owner of any intellectual property simply by filing a lawsuit?
    - SR2Z 10mo ago
      Not all intellectual property is the same. Trademarks have to be registered, patents have to be filed, but copyright is automatically granted by law whenever someone creates a work. Trademark issues are therefore really simple: is the user of the trademark the one who has it registered or not? But copyright holders don't have any standard, obvious evidence they can point to that shows it's really their copyright. They can file a DMCA, in which case companies normally just assume the complaint is accurate - but if the party on the other end objects, the case has to go to a judge who will determine who actually has the copyright and if infringement occurred.

ipython 10mo ago

but then why have a process at all?

pixl97 10mo ago
So they don't get sued again by record companies.

digitalPhonix 10mo ago

That’s like saying the DMV won’t tell you how to prove your identity because if they did people would use that info to get fake driving licences

dekhn 10mo ago
The DMV is not a private company with enormous amounts of fraud/scam. Anyway, it's what I was told when I joined Google Ads a long time ago and it seems consistent with their philosophy and behavior.
- digitalPhonix 10mo ago
  > The DMV is not a private company with enormous amounts of fraud/scam. So it sounds like their policy of having a high bar for proving identity but still publicising what is required to meet that bar works for preventing fraud? If anything, your argument is an indictment against Google.